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Willis your host and we have a great one

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Stein we're going to be talking about

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with her she's been on the show

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previously I met her first in Maine then

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I met her in Phoenix and I'm going to be

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meeting her again in Cherry Hill New

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Jersey we're gonna be talking about that

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and for now we have the one and only

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Alejandro Rojas coming up with the news

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hey alejandro hey how you doing good

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good

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how's everything going for you it is

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going well so keep them very very busy

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of course world UFO day kept me busy

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yesterday you as all of us as well I'm

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sure and then getting ready for Roswell

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this weekend so excited about that oh

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that's right it's coming up yeah so do

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you actually drive there do you fly out

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there well I used to drive years ago and

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I don't know if I want to do that

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anymore it's a lot of fun you pass

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through White Sands yeah which is really

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cool you also because there's missile

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places you know White Sands testing it's

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all of there you go through Nellis Air

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Force Base you can also go by Socorro

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and you could buy go by The Very Large

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Array where they have the big you know

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radio telescopes and get some cool

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selfies out there so there's always a

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lot to see on the trip but it's a long

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drive from here luckily now they have

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flights that there's direct flights from

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Phoenix to Roswell and then I think it's

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Dallas or Houston straight to Roswell as

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well so yeah awesome so just short

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flight now when you're landing in

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Roswell do you try to look out the

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window to see if you can see any debris

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crash debris you know if there were any

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it'd be pretty small so no I don't do

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that but it is fun because the airport

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that you fly into is the airport I mean

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it used to be the Roswell Army Airfield

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that so famous out there well the same

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so they basically what they they

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repurposed it for for the base is close

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and they had purposed it for ya they

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repurposed it it's been open and you

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know I serving some sort of purpose it

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the entire time so it was repurposed and

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it was some hangars in kind of a private

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airfield there for a long time there are

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companies that kind of there's kind of a

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boneyard there where they've got bit

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tons of parts of planes strewn all over

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the place because I believe it was even

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an Asian or Saudi Arabian company that

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bought one of the hangars the big hangar

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and was and was taking apart playing

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parts and then flying them back there so

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different companies own different pieces

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and now they've opened it up as you know

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there's their their Airport there for

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commercial flights which is awesome so

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we can fly into there but yeah it had an

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interesting history yeah now is there

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you know I know the town Roswell is full

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of like flying saucer this and that and

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pictures and signs and you know

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businesses and all that is there is

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there anything at the airport that kind

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of you know what there's not really

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the hangar I don't think it's yet that

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they you know allegedly took the

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material

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but there is kind of a hangar name post

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out there that people take so selfies

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with but it doesn't say anything about

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unfortunately so no they at least at the

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airport they haven't really encouraged

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that yeah and I think it's mostly

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because that hangar you know is owned by

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a private company so they don't want

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people coming around for that that sort

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of thing yeah but you never know I mean

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they embrace it the what at the area

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it kind of wanes and waxes how much how

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welcoming they are for the full UFO et

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thing so you never know what to expect

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when you get out there what'll be

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different as far as who's promoting what

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so I wouldn't be surprised that they did

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that at some point I think it would

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probably be a cute idea because really

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the rest of the city does that you have

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things like the McDonald's out there is

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a UFO and I think it's the only place

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that they have that and other large

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chains have like a UFO or alien theme

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and they don't do this order theme type

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of stuff anywhere else that I've seen so

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it's kind of cool yeah yeah alright so

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what's going on so a world UFO day you

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probably want to talk a little bit about

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that but yeah yeah I mean not a lot to

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say except where there was a lot of news

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out there about UFOs and and I think

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it's kind of cool because there really

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has been to me you know a change from

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the media I talked to radio station in

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Houston and then our local media here

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and you know they all really do take it

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much more seriously it's changed from a

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bunch of weirdos a kind of a topic

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that's backed by a bunch of weirdos and

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conspiracy theorists - now the theme is

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I you know this is something that the

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government's looking into and take

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seriously and I think that's really an

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important change that's kind of happened

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with the media so I feel like the

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coverage this year has been much more

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serious and it's ever been before and it

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was really kind of surprising and cool

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that the media picked up on world UFO

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day so

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because even the world UFO day people

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have kind of not marketed it as strongly

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as they had in the past but it's just

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caught on and so the media is paying

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attention so I think overall it's been

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pretty positive - have you noticed that

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as well did you see anything kind of

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really as blatantly making fun of

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everything as it as you know asked i've

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definitely have seen a change in that

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you know since the December since last

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December

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definitely I'm really I really

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appreciate the fact that it's not made

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so much fun of or you know what was it

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the x-files music has always played

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during you know when they started

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talking about someone saw something you

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know but you don't see that as much

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anymore and I think it's great

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mm-hmm yeah very cool so and you know

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this all stems from December of course

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there's a little bit of update there in

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that George Knapp of klas 8 News now in

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Las Vegas who keeps breaking news right

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about a tip and all of these guys he had

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a new kind of short interview with

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Louise Elizondo and and this news was

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really just talking about how Harry Reid

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throughout the years has really gone to

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bat for the UFO investigation so during

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that period of time while they were

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funding it you know him going to bat and

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saying hey there are some real results

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here we need to keep funding this

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program and the the theme of this also

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with Louisa and Harry Reid is kind of

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even though the DoD came out and said

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well we closed it down because we didn't

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see results they're saying that that's

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not actually true there were results

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that's not why they closed it down and

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you know I previously George Knapp had

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talked about the aspects that did you

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know make people nervous and closed it

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down which was the DoD being embarrassed

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about this whole topic and afraid of

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being ridiculed people found out and

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people's religious beliefs

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well in the DoD feeling that you know we

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shouldn't be messing with this kind of

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stuff which i think is a fascinating

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reason but they feel like you know there

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have been results and really George

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Knapp of course has worked with Jeremy

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Korbel for this upcoming film and they

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have finally released that that will be

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out in September on iTunes right yeah

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September 11th I thought I yeah

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September 11th interestingly enough yeah

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right yeah just so we'll find out more

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when that comes out as well

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Alejandro someone just sent me I didn't

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even get a chance to look at it some

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type of link that the Daily Mail had on

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secrets of UFOs do you know anything

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about that

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yeah so the British government has

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released some more information that is

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another story and the Daily Mail is not

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the best source as you and you know I

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have talked about in the past I mean

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unfortunately many times they want to

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sensationalize and change the facts and

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and so forth so I've been trying to

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follow up with this to figure out more

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about what is real and what isn't I know

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dr. David Clarke has something to do

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with this he is a historian out there

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who has gotten a lot of British material

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UFO material out there he's kind of a

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mythologist and he's interested in the

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mythology and doesn't necessarily take

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it all that seriously because he's a

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skeptic but he's very fascinated by the

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whole thing and and he's a great

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resource so these files have more to do

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with the nature of the groups that we're

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looking into UFOs for the British so

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yeah it's very interesting stuff that's

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coming out I'm still working on

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verifying the info and getting you know

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some comments from Nichkhun and others

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but yet so that's what's hard with the

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Daily Mail you got to check all their

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facts to see which facts they have

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gotten right on and which facts they

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have kind of puffed up a little bit so

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very interesting

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story them someone someone in the kgr a

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chatroom wanted to know if there are any

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solid updates on the nazca mummies and i

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thought we went over that at one time

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that we did in the solid updates that

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came for and how come i'm artists

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they're human i mean yeah this is an you

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and i have discussed this that this

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happens periodically and really the

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local governments are starting to get

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tired of it that people go there

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westerners typically dig up these bodies

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and claim they're aliens and then it

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gets to bunk'd and it's the cycle that's

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been going on for years now and they're

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just getting tired of it they're they

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don't like the bodies being disrespected

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like that now there happened some

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hoaxers that have been locals that do

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this as well and essentially what

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happens it's a very dry desert it's it's

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a very unique conditions there where

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bodies are preserved and so they're very

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old and these corpses and carcasses look

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strange and so unfortunately a lot of

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people for whatever reason they assume

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they're aliens and every time there's a

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thorough test done

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it is debunked unfortunately one of the

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more recent people have been kind of

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purporting these things to be aliens

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have been dr. Steven Greer and he got

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this gentleman involved called dr. Nolan

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and who also is now with to the Stars

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working with Elizondo and all of these

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other people and he is I mean very

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serious I've discussed with him he's

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very into paranormal he's very into the

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possibilities he's an expert when it

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comes to DNA he's looked at many of

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these different cases and although he

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would very much hope to find something

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more strange so far they've all turned

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out to be human so hate to burst your

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bubble on that guy's but it's definitely

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whenever you hear about a body being

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taken from there you want to take it

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with a humungous grain of salt because

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this is just this has been an ongoing

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thing for

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for decades literally where people find

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these bodies and kind of try to purport

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that there's something odd or strange

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even Ripley's Believe It or Not had one

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many years ago I think Lee Spiegel wrote

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about that one not too long ago really

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well now the guests I had Chris O'Brien

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last week mentioned that Greer actually

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has a lawsuit against Nolan defamation

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laws yeah and you know when I spoke with

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Nolan uh Nolan and said it was nothing

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but kind to to Steven Greer and he has

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respect for him he's certainly at least

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when I asked talked to him had no hard

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feelings toward him whatsoever and you

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know supported his efforts so it's

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really unfortunate to see Greer kind of

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going after him like this because and

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and this is what happens in this field

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which is so unfortunate when we have

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serious people who want to get involved

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they're attacked and they're bashed and

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like Bigelow then they decide you know

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what maybe it's better to kind of stay

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in the background

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because unfortunately and which I don't

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know that he has been much kinder he

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hasn't said this but unfortunately there

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are a lot of them professional people in

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this field who just don't act in a

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professional manner and that's

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unfortunate because we should be

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fostering getting these people involved

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and you know we shouldn't be defensive

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when it comes to people questioning

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evidence because you know there is a

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very very hard by far to meet the hot

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the highest when it comes to trying to

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prove that you know there's some of

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these odd things happening and we're at

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a point where now we're very strongly

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establishing that there is a genuine

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mystery and I think we get so caught in

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the weeds that we forget that that's

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where the public is first we have to

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move them towards being comfortable that

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there's a genuine mystery then you know

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you're able to bring credibility to the

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possibilities

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right I agree wholeheartedly so anyway

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listening can check out open minds TV

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there's UFO updates on there every day

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and it's a very very busy website and go

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check it out thanks so much Alejandro my

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pleasure thanks for having me and have

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fun with Jennifer

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I will alright talk to you later bye bye

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all right our guest Jennifer Stein she

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is a native of Philadelphia and she

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holds her Bachelor of Science from the

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University of Arizona and that's the

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last place I saw her she grew up in a

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family of artists and entrepreneurs and

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she is actually an entrepreneur herself

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a filmmaker she's done all kinds of

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great things she founded and runs to the

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mainline MUFON in Philadelphia and is a

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conference coordinator we're gonna be

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talking to her about the symposium she's

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the chair person on that hello how are

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you

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Jennifer welcome to the show hi Martin

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it's such a pleasure to be here can you

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hear me okay yeah your cyanic right yeah

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everything's good yes great well it's a

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real pleasure to be on your show I I

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know we were last together out in

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Arizona but I think I first met you in

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Maine at the experience or speak

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conference many years ago I think yeah

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that was a boy I want to say that was

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five years ago now four or five at least

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yeah maybe

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right yeah I think I think so yeah yeah

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well long journey long journey that's

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right and you have done all kinds of

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things some great films right now are

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you working on any projects you can talk

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about and we'll talk about other things

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of course well I sort of got the

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National symposium dropped in my lap big

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time a little late in the game to

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organize many of the aspects of it as

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you probably know and I've been mostly

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focusing on that this year I would love

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to say I'm starting some other film

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projects I always continually research

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and keep my fingers sort of in the the

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crop circle world a bit I'm a little bit

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more like an armchair investigator now

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reading other pee

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bull's research but I continue to be

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perplexed about that and I know we're

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going to talk about that later in the

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show but mostly this year I have used my

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whatever little filmmaking skills I have

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and marketing skills to bring the

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national symposium to the mainstream and

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ways that I can you know we we're a

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nonprofit organization as many of your

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listeners know and we're of course

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mostly dedicated to the you know

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reporting and scientific exploration of

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the UFO phenomenon but trying to pull

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off a conference every year in a

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different City because it moves from

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town to town or you know city to city so

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we try to move it around the country so

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that anyone listening depending on where

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they live have the opportunity to try to

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get to a mainstream some you know at

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least once every couple of years so we

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have not had a symposium on the

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northeast coast since 2014 but that was

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the first time in like 25 years I think

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that we had a symposium up in this neck

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of the woods right I'm really delighted

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to be able to talk just briefly about

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that you know upfront with you because

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we've got a great lineup of speakers so

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first of all I'll tell you the theme of

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the symposium is called UFOs

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extraterrestrials and the future of

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humanity and they know that's kind of

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all over the place but it it's kind of

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an all encompassing approach we're

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taking this year and the local team here

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is really taking to heart the future of

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humanity Park because we realize that if

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we don't reach out to a younger group of

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people and start bringing them in and

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educating them it takes a long time to

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wrap your brain around this topic as you

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probably know mark it's not something

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where you can just you know see a news

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clip or even see a movie or read one

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book and think you really have an

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understanding of the UFO phenomenon it's

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a 70 80 90 year or even thousands of

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years you know depending on where you

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want to look historically this topic is

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huge and it's hard to wrap your brain

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around it especially for the younger

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generation that gets their information

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and a soundbite right no they speak

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something and they think they know it

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this is a difficult topic so what we're

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doing taking this to heart locally is we

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invited Lind khatai who is actually a

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Philadelphia local originally she grew

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up in the Philadelphia area went to med

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school here at Temple University and

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she's coming in and she's just written a

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book for children on the UFO topic UFOs

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and crop circles actually so she's

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coming in and presenting for free on

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Friday and I've asked Travis Walton a

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dear friend and of course I worked on

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his film that stunned very well

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continues to to win awards and film

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festivals who are very happy about so

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Travis and Lynn are both gonna present

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for free and the symposiums never done

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anything like this before so on Friday

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the day before the conference starts

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anyone can show up teachers students you

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know anyone you know police medical

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people anybody from any field you don't

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have to know anything about the UFO

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topics show up and from 10:00 to 3:00

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we're gonna have to free presentations

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for you and then shortly after that

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we'll do a press conference people are

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welcome to to stay for that yes amen

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then of course you know we have Louie's

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Elizondo it's gonna be keynote and he

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starts the banquet off with Jan

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horizon-- on Friday night we have a

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banquet that starts and that's the paid

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portion of the conference that's not

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free we cost a lot of money to run a

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conference so we have to sell tickets to

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cover our expenses of course so but

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Louis eleganza is a big deal as you know

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we were hoping we could get him on the

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air but he's of course the former a tip

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insider the intelligence officer at the

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Pentagon who really opened the media in

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a mainstream way so I know we're gonna

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have to break in just a moment but yes

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I'm hoping I'm hoping that people take

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advantage of the opportunity to come

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here Louie's here in the Philadelphia

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area yeah I am really looking forward to

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me meeting him yes I was trying to get

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him on the show tonight for just a

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couple of minutes and he said that he's

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looking forward to meeting me when I get

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there and that he can't do it he's

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actually moving his whole family right

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now to LA is right in process of moving

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so he couldn't couldn't be on but anyway

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just to tell the listener if you are a

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supporter of the show I'm going you're

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going to be able to listen to the

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podcasts that I do on-site at the

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symposium I will be doing a live stream

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YouTube from there it's not going to be

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the regular one on kgr a radio it'll be

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a audio podcast also for supporters so

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that will be right after the

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twenty-seventh and twenty-eighth really

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looking forward to that so we are

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heading into our break and this is

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Martyn Willis and we are going to be

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right back we are in kg RA radio and we

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are with Jennifer Stein and we'll be

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right back how long is the break all

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right we're clear and it's four minutes

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in this bright gang row minutes okay

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great so you just heard that Jennifer

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four minutes so Jennifer but guess what

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you know I didn't I neglected to tell

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you this we are actually live right now

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on YouTube so okay so don't say anything

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bad

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so like rice did one time yeah so we can

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we can we can go off topic a little bit

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we want to just kind of follow you know

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a different topic on these breaks so

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let's see so you grew up in Philadelphia

542
00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:40,790
this Cherry Hill cherry hill is is right

543
00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:43,430
outside of that right right it's just on

544
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:44,870
the other side of the river from

545
00:23:49,930 --> 00:23:47,510
Philadelphia I grew up in the north east

546
00:23:51,610 --> 00:23:49,940
and north western suburbs basically and

547
00:23:53,290 --> 00:23:51,620
this is just over the river and that's

548
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:53,300
because of finances you know we can get

549
00:23:58,620 --> 00:23:56,690
a better hotel rate over there we don't

550
00:24:01,810 --> 00:23:58,630
have unions at the hotels in Cherry Hill

551
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:01,820
I don't want to say that on the air but

552
00:24:10,780 --> 00:24:06,400
no that's okay so let me just set my

553
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:10,790
stopwatch here so what about

554
00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:12,770
Philadelphia I never really hear about

555
00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:17,720
UFO incidences are there any thing that

556
00:24:25,810 --> 00:24:23,140
stand out sure we had a spring steam

557
00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:25,820
concert on what's called the Parkway

558
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:28,340
which is this main Parkway between the

559
00:24:31,650 --> 00:24:29,650
Art Museum and

560
00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:31,660
and Bruce Springsteen was playing and

561
00:24:35,550 --> 00:24:33,190
there were like 10,000 people there

562
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:35,560
there were probably seven or eight

563
00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:38,890
videos shot from the crowd up at this

564
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:42,220
object right above the Springsteen

565
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:43,930
concert this was like four years or five

566
00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:45,910
years ago so sure there are incidents

567
00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:48,550
Jersey Shore gets a lot of them we've

568
00:24:53,550 --> 00:24:51,160
been it's a you sure that one's in a

569
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:53,560
drone I would think that a drone someone

570
00:24:57,210 --> 00:24:55,090
will run a find it fly a drone over

571
00:24:59,880 --> 00:24:57,220
Bruce Springsteen it was too high it was

572
00:25:01,890 --> 00:24:59,890
like these white orbs there was several

573
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:01,900
of them they were and they were like

574
00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:05,110
floating they kind of looked like you

575
00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:06,550
know every people said oh they're

576
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:08,500
balloons but then they were maneuvering

577
00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:10,450
in ways the balloons would not do they

578
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:12,280
weren't all floating like the wind they

579
00:25:16,410 --> 00:25:13,990
were then interacting with each other

580
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:16,420
and then getting brighter and getting

581
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:19,030
dimmer and things like that so not your

582
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:21,610
typical you know balloon or drone

583
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:24,910
activity no you said there's actually

584
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:26,710
film can someone actually find this like

585
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:29,050
on YouTube or some people have sent it

586
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:30,610
to me yeah you can google it and look

587
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:32,260
for it I mean I don't I don't know the

588
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:34,330
exact link but sure there are there are

589
00:25:38,550 --> 00:25:36,850
sightings that happen here in Philly so

590
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:38,560
they were just coming around to get a

591
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,350
little bring Bruce Springsteen you know

592
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:42,880
if they show up they show up at

593
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:45,970
ballparks you've seen no footage of them

594
00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:48,130
hanging over major ballparks and things

595
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:50,920
like that so yeah yeah we we've we've

596
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:53,770
had them and of course we're not far

597
00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:56,290
from the very famous Hudson flap that

598
00:26:00,960 --> 00:25:59,020
happened that's you know to less than an

599
00:26:04,890 --> 00:26:00,970
hour and a half away a Hudson Valley

600
00:26:08,370 --> 00:26:04,900
yeah New York yeah that went on for how

601
00:26:11,610 --> 00:26:08,380
long did that go on there was so almost

602
00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:11,620
10 years yeah it's amazing and so many

603
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:14,200
people saw it know going on but not with

604
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:16,990
that type of regularity and not the very

605
00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:20,760
very close things that we're seeing okay

606
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:24,160
so when we come back from the break

607
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,050
we'll talk about the other people that

608
00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:27,520
are going to be at the symposium and

609
00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:29,860
then we'll get we'll start getting into

610
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:31,920
the crop circle this is going to be

611
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:33,790
interesting again for the people on

612
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:36,130
YouTube since you're you're listening

613
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:38,770
now we'll have some visuals up for you

614
00:26:43,289 --> 00:26:41,650
as as we're going along hopefully we'll

615
00:26:46,169 --> 00:26:43,299
get those coordinated

616
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:46,179
yeah yeah I have them up on my screen

617
00:26:51,869 --> 00:26:48,070
but there's one I didn't think I sent

618
00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:51,879
you that was listed in my file 17 you

619
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:54,789
said I sent you 17 it I was gonna see if

620
00:27:00,299 --> 00:26:58,090
that says Hillsboro Ohio crop circle I

621
00:27:01,229 --> 00:27:00,309
don't know if I can check that with you

622
00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:01,239
well we're off the air

623
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:05,980
hang on a second I'm not seeing oh I

624
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:09,070
think I have to remove England we're

625
00:27:14,419 --> 00:27:11,710
ready to go back in about 15 seconds

626
00:27:18,629 --> 00:27:14,429
Martin all right all right player

627
00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:18,639
no that wasn't that wasn't what okay all

628
00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:25,029
right so I will stop the timer I'm ready

629
00:27:33,619 --> 00:27:26,470
whenever you are race just cut me down

630
00:27:43,889 --> 00:27:39,599
okay here we go in five four three two

631
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:43,899
all right welcome back to podcast UFO

632
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:47,049
I'm Martin Willison we're on kgr a radio

633
00:27:52,889 --> 00:27:51,940
that's kgr a radio calm and my guest is

634
00:27:56,190 --> 00:27:52,899
Jennifer Stein

635
00:27:57,989 --> 00:27:56,200
so Jennifer getting back to the

636
00:27:59,759 --> 00:27:57,999
symposium

637
00:28:03,299 --> 00:27:59,769
can you talk I mean I can't wait to meet

638
00:28:05,489 --> 00:28:03,309
Lois number one for me and it's always

639
00:28:06,779 --> 00:28:05,499
great seeing Jann why don't you and you

640
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:06,789
said Travis Waltons going to be there

641
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:08,049
once you talk about some of the other

642
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:11,230
guests that are okay I'd be thrilled too

643
00:28:15,479 --> 00:28:13,330
thanks for asking Martin so we've

644
00:28:17,489 --> 00:28:15,489
divided the two days up into two

645
00:28:19,409 --> 00:28:17,499
different sections it's two full days of

646
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:19,419
speakers after the Friday night banquet

647
00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:22,570
with Louise Ellis onso and on Friday

648
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:25,629
we're kind of focusing more on science

649
00:28:33,109 --> 00:28:29,609
things like alien viruses technologies

650
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:33,119
space travel artificial intelligence

651
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,129
transhumanism like really where are we

652
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,559
going with technology and how does this

653
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:41,200
interface with the UFO phenomenon so our

654
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:44,169
speakers are John Brandenburg some

655
00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:45,970
people may or may not know about him

656
00:28:50,879 --> 00:28:48,100
he's his presentation will be called a

657
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:50,889
report from Mars after that we have Lynn

658
00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:53,529
khatai who's going to talk about how we

659
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:56,350
inspire future generations going forward

660
00:28:58,910 --> 00:28:57,090
how we

661
00:29:00,680 --> 00:28:58,920
them and and hook them and bring them in

662
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:00,690
because we were discussing before the

663
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:02,850
break this is the big topic to wrap your

664
00:29:07,910 --> 00:29:05,250
brain around especially when the media's

665
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:07,920
had a basically a gag rule on it for

666
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,130
about 70 years after that Bob wood is

667
00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:13,620
going to discuss alien viruses and real

668
00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:15,870
problems we face in the future then we

669
00:29:20,390 --> 00:29:18,300
have Ted Peters who's a theologian and

670
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:20,400
he's going to talk about the future of

671
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:22,170
humanity what's the theological

672
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:23,730
perspective you know how do we deal with

673
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,470
the whole concept of UFOs and

674
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:27,720
extraterrestrials and incorporate this

675
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:31,260
into our religious and social means and

676
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:34,110
and mores David Pilates is going to talk

677
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:35,970
about you know unexplained

678
00:29:40,550 --> 00:29:37,950
disappearances which continue to go on

679
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:40,560
especially in rural areas he wrote the

680
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,120
book missing for 1/1 and yep then then

681
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:47,340
we're gonna break for dinner and we come

682
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:49,080
back in the evening with domdom Gary

683
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:51,450
he's worked a lot with the free project

684
00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:54,450
with Kathy Martin he'll be talking about

685
00:30:01,220 --> 00:29:58,470
the American personality inventory that

686
00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:01,230
they created to evaluate abductee

687
00:30:06,410 --> 00:30:04,470
reports and try to categorize them and

688
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:06,420
look at data in a different way it's

689
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:09,570
really quite fascinating and then not

690
00:30:15,650 --> 00:30:11,610
later that night we actually have Dan

691
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,660
Ricker who was in the movie 2001 Space

692
00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:18,000
Odyssey and we're gonna show 2001 Space

693
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,000
Odyssey is a fun thing and that Saturday

694
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:23,640
evening there's also a special workshop

695
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:25,890
people can pay to go to if they want

696
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,260
with lluís Elizondo it's about a hundred

697
00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:30,600
people it's a small casual intimate

698
00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:33,390
meet-and-greet and QA going on that

699
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:36,300
evening with with Louise then on Sunday

700
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:38,910
we switch to the more experienced ur

701
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:42,960
side of the conference so we'll have of

702
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:43,530
course

703
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:45,690
Selma Sadek and Randall Nickerson

704
00:30:51,890 --> 00:30:49,140
presenting that day and that's all the

705
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:51,900
way can I just interrupt you I had Selma

706
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:54,810
on my show and I got a tow she was my

707
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:57,210
favorite guest she was amazing I'm

708
00:31:01,040 --> 00:30:58,740
really looking forward to meeting her

709
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:01,050
all of those kids from the famous Ariel

710
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:03,090
school that very famous and Bob way

711
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,970
incident that John Mac brought to to

712
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:07,260
light brought to our attention

713
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:09,240
Randall Nickerson has picked up on that

714
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:10,070
he's coming out

715
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:12,290
the new film called the air L project

716
00:31:15,730 --> 00:31:13,970
and we're looking forward to that

717
00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:15,740
release I don't know exactly when it's

718
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:17,180
gonna it's getting really close

719
00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:21,470
according Randy texts me a couple weeks

720
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:23,260
ago and said we're getting really close

721
00:31:27,370 --> 00:31:25,910
so yeah I know we're all looking forward

722
00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:27,380
to has been a lot of years in the making

723
00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:30,590
I know almost almost 10 and if you look

724
00:31:34,930 --> 00:31:32,360
at what John Mac did it you're really

725
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:34,940
looking at 20 to 25 years of that

726
00:31:39,670 --> 00:31:37,250
documentary being made so we also have

727
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:39,680
of course Travis Walton on Sunday and

728
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:41,710
Kathleen Martin who will be presenting

729
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:45,050
Bob mark Mardon scuse me

730
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:47,690
one wonderful wonderful woman so it

731
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:49,730
should be a really fabulous conference

732
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:52,310
where we're looking forward to you know

733
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:54,710
and welcoming and greeting people from

734
00:31:59,500 --> 00:31:57,290
all over in Philadelphia it's a lovely

735
00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:59,510
hotel we have very inexpensive room

736
00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:01,190
rates about ninety nine dollars a night

737
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:04,520
is the base rate so and it's a it's a

738
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,170
fabulous facility and there are lovely

739
00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:07,760
restaurants all around and we're gonna

740
00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:09,380
try to do a buffet in the hallway

741
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:12,140
between you know different speakers so

742
00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:14,630
people can get lunch so we're putting a

743
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:15,800
lot of time and effort and thought into

744
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:20,390
it yeah I can't wait okay do it yeah I

745
00:32:24,010 --> 00:32:22,010
know that it was in Cherry Hill a few

746
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,020
years ago I think maybe four three or

747
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,720
four years ago right yes 2014 was the

748
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:29,360
last one we ran there yes and it was the

749
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:30,980
first one like I mentioned before in

750
00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:33,160
about 25 years in the Northeast Corridor

751
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:37,670
Wow yeah yeah I'm real excited so I

752
00:32:43,030 --> 00:32:40,570
think I know this will be my first MUFON

753
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:43,040
symposium actually so I'm really looking

754
00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:46,160
forward to it it'll be great well I try

755
00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:49,040
to live up to alejandro standards so you

756
00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:51,860
know he puts on a great conference

757
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:53,990
yes he does pleasure to be at them and

758
00:32:58,330 --> 00:32:55,850
also to be a speaker at them it's really

759
00:32:59,950 --> 00:32:58,340
a pleasure and and in fact I wanted to

760
00:33:04,180 --> 00:32:59,960
mention two listening guest he was

761
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:04,190
speaking about Roswell many years ago I

762
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:07,390
did a little interview with Jesse Marcel

763
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:12,110
jr. and one of the wonderful film men

764
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:15,980
Tom ruffle who worked for open mind and

765
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:18,050
that's available you can look at it at

766
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:20,570
mainline MUFON I think I have it on the

767
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:23,570
bottom of one of my pages on the video

768
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:24,080
page

769
00:33:29,530 --> 00:33:26,060
there's also I'm sure a link somewhere

770
00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:29,540
on Alejandro's open minds or if if they

771
00:33:32,590 --> 00:33:30,980
depending on what their streaming

772
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:32,600
network is they have up now I know

773
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:34,070
things have changed a little bit in the

774
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:36,110
last year but there's a lovely interview

775
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:40,550
where we took Jesse Marcel jr. back to

776
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:42,110
his house and we stood outside the

777
00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:43,910
original hangar where the debris was

778
00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:46,820
stored and we you know just chatted with

779
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:49,040
him he had never been back to his home

780
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:51,470
so we stood outside and filmed and

781
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:52,900
talked with him it was really a special

782
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:56,510
special neat interview Wow amazing

783
00:34:00,790 --> 00:33:58,730
we just did it off the fly I just said

784
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Tom you want to go do this like I'll

785
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:04,370
Drive you shoot he said sure so really

786
00:34:09,850 --> 00:34:06,410
really a great opportunity we grabbed

787
00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:09,860
there yeah right right so before we get

788
00:34:14,830 --> 00:34:12,230
to talking about crop circles can you

789
00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:14,840
tell the listening audience about your

790
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:16,660
film with Travis Walton that you did

791
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:19,310
sure sure

792
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:21,110
it's called Travis the true story of

793
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,690
Travis Walton I was about six or seven

794
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:26,480
years in the making all total with it

795
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:29,360
I did a couple of revisions because I

796
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:33,110
needed to on the film it's about 80

797
00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:35,810
minutes and it recounts with all the

798
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:38,120
living members of the crew the logging

799
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:40,130
crew that was in the sit graves Forrest

800
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,050
Wood Travis along with some police

801
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:44,480
polygraph experts things like that and

802
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:47,690
people from the town some family members

803
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:50,510
it's a real point-by-point

804
00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:53,210
fast-paced documentary that's a real

805
00:34:56,650 --> 00:34:55,220
personal story it's not so much a

806
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:56,660
typical UFO film

807
00:35:00,040 --> 00:34:58,610
I took the perspective in making the

808
00:35:02,110 --> 00:35:00,050
film of what it was like through

809
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Travis's eyes and through the eyes of

810
00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:03,650
these crew members throughout their

811
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:06,080
lives and how difficult this event was

812
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:08,150
for them to handle and how for many of

813
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:10,580
them it kind of ruined their life so I

814
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:13,130
wouldn't say it's necessarily an upbeat

815
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:16,490
film but it's certainly a real poignant

816
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:18,890
look psychologically and what it's like

817
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:20,810
to have an incident like this happen and

818
00:35:26,590 --> 00:35:23,450
it's a close and intimate way to get to

819
00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:26,600
know Travis Walton so the film I I

820
00:35:30,610 --> 00:35:28,070
decided I would put it in like

821
00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:30,620
mainstream film festivals thinking that

822
00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:32,780
oh they're probably just going to reject

823
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:35,660
it and to my surprise out of putting it

824
00:35:40,990 --> 00:35:37,910
in about 50 film festivals it was

825
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:41,000
excepted in over 22 of them and at one

826
00:35:46,329 --> 00:35:43,010
additional award so it's one over

827
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:46,339
probably 29 or 30 Awards which is really

828
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:49,970
it's really kind of unheard of for a UFO

829
00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:51,890
film I mean most of the time they're

830
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:54,920
only shown and you know paranormal film

831
00:35:59,920 --> 00:35:57,770
festivals or sci-fi film festivals they

832
00:36:02,020 --> 00:35:59,930
don't make it into mainstream festivals

833
00:36:03,819 --> 00:36:02,030
they don't even accept them so the fact

834
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:03,829
that it was accepted in a large number

835
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:06,170
and then one of the additional awards

836
00:36:10,569 --> 00:36:09,049
it's it's I'm really honored and I

837
00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:10,579
worked with a whole crew of people I

838
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:12,500
can't take full credit for myself I mean

839
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:14,660
I work for the co-producer is who does

840
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:16,609
my main line MUFON programs with me Bob

841
00:36:21,789 --> 00:36:19,490
Theriot and Ron James help me revise it

842
00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:21,799
and really punch the CGI and the

843
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:24,680
graphics and I worked with fabulous

844
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:27,680
nephew editor of mine Adam Stein and

845
00:36:31,329 --> 00:36:29,630
Zakk Wylde I mean I couldn't have done

846
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:31,339
it without some of these young 30 year

847
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:32,930
olds helping me make a better film than

848
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:35,839
I could have made but um we're what

849
00:36:40,299 --> 00:36:37,910
Travis and I have like been on radio

850
00:36:42,670 --> 00:36:40,309
shows and Travis is traveling the world

851
00:36:44,589 --> 00:36:42,680
now because of this film he's getting a

852
00:36:46,299 --> 00:36:44,599
lot more speaking engagements and now

853
00:36:48,579 --> 00:36:46,309
we'll be screening it next year in

854
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:48,589
England so lots of things are happening

855
00:36:52,809 --> 00:36:50,900
and it's coming out on Amazon and

856
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:52,819
YouTube and Netflix on I'm in the

857
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:54,650
process now of marketing it in that

858
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:56,410
other direction

859
00:37:02,049 --> 00:36:59,210
I have something I'm actually going to

860
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,059
ask Travis when I see him but let's say

861
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:04,880
two weeks ago we had a guy that he says

862
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:06,890
he's a sort of on The Skeptical side but

863
00:37:11,319 --> 00:37:08,990
he had a sighting back in the 1960s he

864
00:37:12,789 --> 00:37:11,329
called from Oregon as far as I know he

865
00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:12,799
may be listening now I'm not sure I

866
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,460
forget his first name but he said he was

867
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,760
talking about different people and you

868
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:21,680
know whether they changed your story and

869
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:23,690
then he said well what about you know

870
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,049
Travis Walton he changed his story so I

871
00:37:32,049 --> 00:37:29,839
said what do you mean you know elaborate

872
00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:32,059
on that a little more and he said he

873
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:34,700
didn't remember anything at first the

874
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:37,130
first couple of years did you ever hear

875
00:37:42,099 --> 00:37:38,690
Travis saying I think about that that's

876
00:37:44,799 --> 00:37:42,109
that's just someone thinking they know

877
00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:44,809
the facts and they didn't if you know

878
00:37:49,029 --> 00:37:46,700
Travis has a great book called fire in

879
00:37:52,359 --> 00:37:49,039
the sky and anyone can pick it up and

880
00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:52,369
read it Travis had full full

881
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:54,140
call the moment he woke up on the side

882
00:37:59,140 --> 00:37:56,150
of the the street he remembered

883
00:38:01,239 --> 00:37:59,150
everything that he still remembers it's

884
00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:01,249
I we don't know how long a period of

885
00:38:05,799 --> 00:38:03,380
time this is it could be twenty minutes

886
00:38:08,289 --> 00:38:05,809
or it could be two hours but nothing has

887
00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:08,299
changed in his memory from that moment

888
00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:10,549
he woke up on the street even with the

889
00:38:14,349 --> 00:38:12,680
regressions he did he had some

890
00:38:18,099 --> 00:38:14,359
post-traumatic stress he had to get over

891
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:18,109
so that helped him remember little more

892
00:38:23,289 --> 00:38:20,450
of the details but the stories never

893
00:38:25,269 --> 00:38:23,299
changed nor has it for the other boys in

894
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,279
the lying crew they've stuck to their

895
00:38:27,819 --> 00:38:27,200
story for 40 years that's what I've

896
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:27,829
always thought

897
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:29,660
believe me I think some of them would

898
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:31,130
have wanted to change their story

899
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:32,569
especially the one that was offered a

900
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:35,930
$10,000 bride that's right Steve well it

901
00:38:40,059 --> 00:38:37,970
was Steve right yeah he said that I

902
00:38:42,279 --> 00:38:40,069
could use the money maybe I'll maybe yo

903
00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:42,289
come out and say this didn't happen I

904
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:44,299
mean he'll class went after him for five

905
00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:46,609
or six years really hounded him and

906
00:38:50,739 --> 00:38:48,589
forced him to change his name and move

907
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:50,749
to a different state and broke up his

908
00:38:55,029 --> 00:38:53,569
marriage I mean this when you really get

909
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:55,039
into it it's not pretty

910
00:39:00,309 --> 00:38:57,890
Martin yeah it's not funny yeah I think

911
00:39:02,229 --> 00:39:00,319
that's amazing that he actually offered

912
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:02,239
ten thousand dollars for him to change

913
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:04,970
his story I mean I I don't understand

914
00:39:13,269 --> 00:39:07,160
you know sure he had plenty of money

915
00:39:16,749 --> 00:39:13,279
from what I understand but why why but

916
00:39:19,630 --> 00:39:16,759
there's documentation of this bribe that

917
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:19,640
Philip Glass actually got a local police

918
00:39:25,779 --> 00:39:21,950
officer to bring a Western Union

919
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:25,789
telegram of the bribe to his house yeah

920
00:39:31,299 --> 00:39:28,730
I mean it's like you can't make this

921
00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:31,309
stuff up it's amazing really

922
00:39:39,009 --> 00:39:34,670
really yeah yeah so okay let's let's

923
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:39,019
shift gears we've got about another 17

924
00:39:42,999 --> 00:39:41,390
minutes or so before the break and I

925
00:39:46,269 --> 00:39:43,009
want to find out I don't think I've ever

926
00:39:49,799 --> 00:39:46,279
asked you this question initially what

927
00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:49,809
started you investigating crop circles I

928
00:39:55,779 --> 00:39:53,720
think I was fascinated by ancient mounds

929
00:39:59,410 --> 00:39:55,789
I had started to read about Stonehenge

930
00:40:01,299 --> 00:39:59,420
when I was like 10 or 11 or 12 I

931
00:40:03,759 --> 00:40:01,309
remember ripping things out of like Look

932
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:03,769
magazine you know and Life magazine and

933
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:05,450
thinking wow

934
00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:08,150
who built these places and then I

935
00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:11,030
started to learn later in my you know

936
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:14,030
late I guess my early 20s and late 20s

937
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:16,010
about the crop circle phenomenon that

938
00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:17,200
was starting to happen and the

939
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:20,150
association of that phenomenon with

940
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,609
ancient sites and the high number of

941
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:24,319
formations that were happening of course

942
00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:28,220
in England and that I just kept reading

943
00:40:33,789 --> 00:40:30,980
about it because I was just so puzzled

944
00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:33,799
by it I couldn't imagine how something

945
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:37,880
is big a stone edge could appear when it

946
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:39,650
wasn't there 20 minutes ago and then

947
00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:42,049
suddenly it was and looking at the

948
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:45,230
pristineness of these geometries I I

949
00:40:49,930 --> 00:40:47,450
grew up as a you know as an artist and

950
00:40:51,789 --> 00:40:49,940
entrepreneur my my dad was an architect

951
00:40:54,339 --> 00:40:51,799
my mom was an interior designer and a

952
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:54,349
seamstress so I mean I understood fabric

953
00:40:58,990 --> 00:40:56,900
and weaving and design and structure and

954
00:41:01,660 --> 00:40:59,000
you know I had an appreciation of what

955
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:01,670
went into building a house or you know

956
00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:04,250
building a garden or putting a pool in

957
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:06,470
or landscaping or you know putting an

958
00:41:09,069 --> 00:41:08,180
addition on a house so when I looked at

959
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:09,079
crop circles

960
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:12,410
I had an appreciation for the complexity

961
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:14,450
of them I immediately recognized the

962
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:16,730
sacred geometry that was in them

963
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:18,890
and I had studied the Fibonacci sequence

964
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:21,770
the golden mean ratio and I had been a

965
00:41:28,510 --> 00:41:25,040
meditator and you know I I immediately

966
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:28,520
started to think I almost understood

967
00:41:32,890 --> 00:41:30,770
what the formations were saying even

968
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:32,900
though I didn't it's like some of those

969
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:35,030
geometries you can look at and go oh I

970
00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:37,010
understand that and then you look at it

971
00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:39,380
and you go well actually no I I really

972
00:41:42,819 --> 00:41:40,700
don't but it looks like it's saying

973
00:41:46,049 --> 00:41:42,829
something and I think that's what drew

974
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,059
me in you know I and and I just

975
00:41:51,549 --> 00:41:49,040
continued to be more and more perplexed

976
00:41:54,099 --> 00:41:51,559
and I think it's my curiosity that

977
00:41:56,859 --> 00:41:54,109
really continued to keep me hooked even

978
00:41:58,450 --> 00:41:56,869
when I got into my 40s and 50s you know

979
00:42:00,730 --> 00:41:58,460
when I finally could afford to go there

980
00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:00,740
and I had the time and my kids were

981
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:03,470
raised and I was brave enough to rent a

982
00:42:09,730 --> 00:42:05,030
car and drive on the other side of the

983
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:09,740
road you know yeah now there are there's

984
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,900
some very well-known there the two guys

985
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:14,000
that were doing the hoaxes and then

986
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:18,650
there's confusion between like you just

987
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:19,190
mentioned

988
00:42:26,109 --> 00:42:23,050
one near stonehedge that just appeared a

989
00:42:27,790 --> 00:42:26,119
plane flew over and then flew back and

990
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:27,800
all of a sudden it was there you know

991
00:42:33,849 --> 00:42:31,220
but but other ones you know this is

992
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:33,859
where it gets muddy in confusing because

993
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:35,390
you know some people say that every

994
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:38,270
single one of them are hoaxed and then

995
00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:40,310
some people say well some of them have

996
00:42:45,010 --> 00:42:42,920
some mysterious things going on what's

997
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:45,020
your what's your general overview on

998
00:42:50,829 --> 00:42:48,170
that state well if you want we can

999
00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:50,839
actually jump to slide four and I can

1000
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,420
introduce the two very famous hoaxers if

1001
00:42:57,849 --> 00:42:55,040
you want to show yellow snow they're got

1002
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:57,859
Doug Bower and Dave truly are shown in

1003
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:01,220
the bottom right of that screen now you

1004
00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:02,690
know the crop circles are getting a lot

1005
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:05,720
of attention in the early 90s Colin

1006
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:09,530
Andrews Pat Delgado Terence need'n we're

1007
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:11,060
working together they came out with some

1008
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:14,690
of their first books and I think maybe

1009
00:43:19,150 --> 00:43:17,450
the British media or somebody else was

1010
00:43:21,069 --> 00:43:19,160
not too happy with the attention that

1011
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,079
the crop circles were getting there were

1012
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:22,880
huge numbers of them happening I mean

1013
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:25,130
first it used to be five or six or eight

1014
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:27,170
or ten a summer then it suddenly jumped

1015
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,430
to like 20 30 40 50 60 a summer and you

1016
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:34,160
know people were going crazy over these

1017
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:39,520
and Doug and Dave were featured in a

1018
00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:42,890
like a BBC special but it wasn't

1019
00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:45,230
actually a BBC special when you'll go

1020
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:47,750
back and look at this 1993 special that

1021
00:43:52,059 --> 00:43:49,790
came out featuring them claiming they

1022
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:52,069
made all of the crop circles when you do

1023
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:56,210
your homework that ad agency didn't

1024
00:44:01,000 --> 00:43:58,310
really officially exist as a

1025
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:01,010
professional ad agency but it funded

1026
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:03,050
this documentary that was then albon

1027
00:44:07,329 --> 00:44:05,569
major networks around the world claiming

1028
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,339
that Doug and Dave were making all the

1029
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,440
crop circles certainly in England and

1030
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,359
then of course media has given them

1031
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:12,800
credit for making them all around the

1032
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:15,170
world they're not saying it was Doug and

1033
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Dave what the media means is that all

1034
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:18,890
formations are hoaxed and don't you know

1035
00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:20,750
that because Doug and Dave came out and

1036
00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:23,990
admitted it so you know you have to kind

1037
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:25,700
of look at the source and dig a little

1038
00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:29,150
deeper I was fascinated that yes you can

1039
00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:31,940
hoax interesting formations and unless

1040
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:32,900
you understand

1041
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:35,570
video sinker C's about the crop and the

1042
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,190
soil and you start doing seed

1043
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:40,160
germination studies or you start looking

1044
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,050
under a microscope at the soil samples

1045
00:44:47,890 --> 00:44:44,960
seeing if they're magnetic or how dry

1046
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:47,900
the soil is or how intricately the crops

1047
00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:50,720
are bent you don't really know if that

1048
00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:52,340
takes a little while you have to develop

1049
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:54,830
a level of sophistication so on that

1050
00:45:00,280 --> 00:44:57,700
slide on number four I'm showing you

1051
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:00,290
advertisements that are being done now

1052
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:03,260
by major media because they hope they

1053
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:05,720
like the whole idea of the crop circle

1054
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:07,730
and they want to use that to help sell

1055
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:10,010
their products oh sure it's a great way

1056
00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:12,440
to you know get some attention for sure

1057
00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:17,600
right it's like let's be hip right yeah

1058
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:19,940
but the one thing that people don't

1059
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,370
realize that and crop circle researchers

1060
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:25,280
love this is these are known hoaxes

1061
00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:28,700
right so the advertising agency pays the

1062
00:45:32,350 --> 00:45:30,740
farmer like ten thousand dollars for the

1063
00:45:35,170 --> 00:45:32,360
crop and they go in and they spend hours

1064
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:35,180
and hours and hours five ten fifteen

1065
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:37,910
twenty hours they stake it out so we can

1066
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,820
go and compare those formations that

1067
00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:43,280
were done for advertising to these other

1068
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:45,140
formations that we look at that seem to

1069
00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:47,330
appear overnight at 3:30 4:00 in the

1070
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:51,380
morning now so right yeah they're really

1071
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:53,720
wonderful because you know it really

1072
00:46:00,310 --> 00:45:56,990
provides this perfect comparison tool

1073
00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:00,320
and so the ones that are done in the

1074
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:03,860
middle of the night how I think I saw a

1075
00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:06,470
show on crop circles where someone tried

1076
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:08,780
to replicate something in the middle of

1077
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:11,210
the night you know secretly and they

1078
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:13,130
almost pulled it off now if someone was

1079
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:16,010
doing it you know on a regular basis

1080
00:46:21,370 --> 00:46:17,990
maybe they could pull it off easy enough

1081
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:21,380
but do you think there are still people

1082
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:26,570
hoaxing now there might be I'm not

1083
00:46:32,110 --> 00:46:28,970
currently going to England every summer

1084
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:32,120
I'm not kind of watching you know the

1085
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:34,670
lay of the land and who's doing what

1086
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:36,920
who's whispering about what and what pub

1087
00:46:41,470 --> 00:46:39,260
you know and who's looking at a graphic

1088
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:41,480
and I know that there were teams that

1089
00:46:46,779 --> 00:46:44,720
used to prepare they would hoax in other

1090
00:46:48,729 --> 00:46:46,789
areas to perfect

1091
00:46:50,109 --> 00:46:48,739
they were going to do a couple times and

1092
00:46:56,249 --> 00:46:50,119
then they would go out and try to make

1093
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,259
the real formation but honestly I just

1094
00:47:01,479 --> 00:46:59,119
you know there's so many rabbits to

1095
00:47:05,409 --> 00:47:01,489
chase in life I've kind of done more

1096
00:47:07,659 --> 00:47:05,419
homework and research about well what

1097
00:47:09,909 --> 00:47:07,669
actually could cause these things and is

1098
00:47:11,919 --> 00:47:09,919
there an historical content to them I

1099
00:47:13,959 --> 00:47:11,929
think that's a really interesting topic

1100
00:47:16,419 --> 00:47:13,969
that a lot of people overlook and in

1101
00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:16,429
fact if we want we can jump to slide

1102
00:47:21,729 --> 00:47:19,160
five sure because that's an interesting

1103
00:47:24,609 --> 00:47:21,739
story and I'll just give you a heads up

1104
00:47:26,439 --> 00:47:24,619
Martin - I'm having a major electrical

1105
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,449
storm here in Philadelphia I thought I

1106
00:47:30,729 --> 00:47:28,400
was hearing something yeah we've got a

1107
00:47:32,949 --> 00:47:30,739
huge heat wave and if you see flashes

1108
00:47:35,289 --> 00:47:32,959
right outside my window it's pouring

1109
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:35,299
rain I do have a backup generator so if

1110
00:47:39,189 --> 00:47:37,130
we get cut off we'll jump back in

1111
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:39,199
sometimes our power goes out so that

1112
00:47:42,489 --> 00:47:40,910
that noise I'm hearing I thought it

1113
00:47:44,799 --> 00:47:42,499
might be something to do with audio but

1114
00:47:49,689 --> 00:47:44,809
that's actually Thunder yeah it's not a

1115
00:47:51,819 --> 00:47:49,699
cat the past I apologize

1116
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:51,829
yes a major electrical storm and stuff

1117
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:52,729
okay sure

1118
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:54,729
now let's look at this wood block from

1119
00:48:01,120 --> 00:47:59,359
1678 friend of mine I know I know him he

1120
00:48:02,799 --> 00:48:01,130
doesn't know me well but I have a lot of

1121
00:48:04,539 --> 00:48:02,809
respect for him his name is Andy Thomas

1122
00:48:06,789 --> 00:48:04,549
he's written some books on the crop

1123
00:48:08,890 --> 00:48:06,799
circle topic and he's the one who's

1124
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:08,900
credited with actually digging this wood

1125
00:48:13,539 --> 00:48:11,839
block up in the British archives now

1126
00:48:16,299 --> 00:48:13,549
there's a little story behind this wood

1127
00:48:18,699 --> 00:48:16,309
block obviously it was created with

1128
00:48:20,890 --> 00:48:18,709
widow old fashioned wood block for

1129
00:48:22,959 --> 00:48:20,900
printing the way early papers were

1130
00:48:27,849 --> 00:48:22,969
printed you know were were literally

1131
00:48:31,659 --> 00:48:27,859
block print presses so in the late 16th

1132
00:48:34,839 --> 00:48:31,669
century right 1678 there was a church

1133
00:48:37,989 --> 00:48:34,849
that had a newspaper a parish paper and

1134
00:48:39,429 --> 00:48:37,999
it was in hence four-door pen Henson

1135
00:48:41,319 --> 00:48:39,439
Ford I think he pronounced it which is

1136
00:48:43,509 --> 00:48:41,329
right in the Wiltshire area today where

1137
00:48:46,479 --> 00:48:43,519
crop circles are happening and an angry

1138
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:46,489
farmer came to the parish all upset that

1139
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:49,729
not only was there odd lights floating

1140
00:48:55,959 --> 00:48:53,689
around his farm the night before that

1141
00:48:57,579 --> 00:48:55,969
looked like the sky was on fire and the

1142
00:48:59,079 --> 00:48:57,589
field was on fire and he didn't

1143
00:48:59,770 --> 00:48:59,089
understand what was happening but then

1144
00:49:02,380 --> 00:48:59,780
the next

1145
00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:02,390
when he went out he saw that his crop

1146
00:49:08,290 --> 00:49:05,900
was down and the article basically said

1147
00:49:10,210 --> 00:49:08,300
you know why didn't the devil why did

1148
00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:10,220
the devil just lay all this crop down

1149
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:12,560
why didn't he just cut it and take it

1150
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:15,530
away with him so the art depicts a

1151
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:18,340
little devil actually using like a a

1152
00:49:24,340 --> 00:49:20,690
hatchet herb I what forget what they

1153
00:49:27,310 --> 00:49:24,350
call that us not a sigh I write a sigh

1154
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:27,320
if it looks like the devil is cutting

1155
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:29,840
the crop but in fact the story went on

1156
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:32,960
to explain that the crop was downed and

1157
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:36,260
it was now you know attracting bugs and

1158
00:49:41,230 --> 00:49:38,990
slugs and flies and birds and and the

1159
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,240
farmer couldn't harvest it and the

1160
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:43,040
response was why didn't the devil just

1161
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:44,810
take the crop away with him so in that

1162
00:49:50,590 --> 00:49:48,050
mindset in that period of time there was

1163
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,600
this idea that something supernatural

1164
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:52,400
was happening which i think is really

1165
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:53,990
interesting when you look at the whole

1166
00:49:57,970 --> 00:49:56,210
consciousness field ok they realized

1167
00:49:59,800 --> 00:49:57,980
something odd happen but they didn't

1168
00:50:02,670 --> 00:49:59,810
know what to blame it on they didn't

1169
00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:02,680
know how to evaluate it so it was either

1170
00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:06,350
fairy visited your field and created

1171
00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:09,080
this like garden environment for you to

1172
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:12,140
go out and be in or the devil came by

1173
00:50:14,890 --> 00:50:13,190
and you were coast

1174
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:14,900
you were being cursed by the mowing

1175
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:17,150
devil so Shakespeare wrote about fairy

1176
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:19,490
rings and this is what he was talking

1177
00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:22,910
about which is quite interesting so I

1178
00:50:27,610 --> 00:50:24,440
just thought it was fascinating that

1179
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:27,620
this goes back even to the 1600s and

1180
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:29,570
explained the same sort of thing that

1181
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:31,010
were happened you know that we're

1182
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,840
finding today in the field so there is

1183
00:50:36,310 --> 00:50:34,880
some historical content there's also

1184
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:36,320
American Indian stories that have

1185
00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:37,940
happened in our country certainly in

1186
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:42,440
Ohio and in Indiana and Kentucky and

1187
00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:45,020
even down into North Carolina various

1188
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:47,480
Indian tribes talked about formations

1189
00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:50,630
that would occur in their crops and what

1190
00:50:55,420 --> 00:50:53,960
would they was this you know we think of

1191
00:50:59,020 --> 00:50:55,430
the Native Americans it's always like a

1192
00:51:01,570 --> 00:50:59,030
verbal history so carry down it's only

1193
00:51:03,490 --> 00:51:01,580
oral history in a very few places it's

1194
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:03,500
recorded and where it's recorded it's

1195
00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:07,040
often in cavalry records or where that

1196
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:08,900
the Calvary was meeting with Indian

1197
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:11,510
chiefs or tribes and so a lot of times

1198
00:51:15,850 --> 00:51:13,610
exchanging and even buying

1199
00:51:17,650 --> 00:51:15,860
food supplies and things like that from

1200
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:17,660
them because a lot of these outposts

1201
00:51:25,390 --> 00:51:22,490
were not in places where the servicemen

1202
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,400
could actually get you know the dry

1203
00:51:29,230 --> 00:51:27,440
goods from the military so they were

1204
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:29,240
exchanging and buying and trading and

1205
00:51:33,790 --> 00:51:30,950
there was a lot of history recording

1206
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:33,800
back and forth some of that's buried but

1207
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:35,690
some of its accessible in this

1208
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:37,490
fascinating history there including a

1209
00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:40,010
history of a war between giants which i

1210
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:42,500
think is interesting and you know I made

1211
00:51:48,430 --> 00:51:44,690
a tribe of giants that was killed out by

1212
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:48,440
a some other tribes right down right so

1213
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:52,640
that's another pot yeah so this late

1214
00:52:01,870 --> 00:51:56,960
17th century wood cut was there any

1215
00:52:03,460 --> 00:52:01,880
other like written history besides this

1216
00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:03,470
or is that as I mean that is pretty

1217
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:05,300
early but do you know if it goes any

1218
00:52:11,410 --> 00:52:09,070
earlier than that um I I don't

1219
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:11,420
specifically although I would think that

1220
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:15,200
the you know there probably are records

1221
00:52:21,130 --> 00:52:18,460
of it I haven't gone digging for them I

1222
00:52:23,830 --> 00:52:21,140
do know that like during the Second

1223
00:52:26,530 --> 00:52:23,840
World War during the major blitz that

1224
00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:26,540
happened in London lots of Londoners

1225
00:52:31,330 --> 00:52:29,480
were children were sent out into the

1226
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:31,340
countryside wilshire is about an hour

1227
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:33,140
and a half two hours outside of the city

1228
00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:37,640
and they these kids were you know with

1229
00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:39,560
cousins or with friends or with families

1230
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,270
and a lot of them found their way into

1231
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:44,000
crop circles that were occurring then so

1232
00:52:48,610 --> 00:52:46,250
I know that there was a large number of

1233
00:52:50,830 --> 00:52:48,620
happening in the 30s and 40s and there

1234
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:50,840
recorded in journals and things like

1235
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,110
that drawings were done of them personal

1236
00:52:59,230 --> 00:52:56,240
you know family histories recorded them

1237
00:53:01,840 --> 00:52:59,240
and there are some photos from the 40s

1238
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:01,850
as well all right all right well we have

1239
00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:04,490
to go into break so you are listening to

1240
00:53:10,780 --> 00:53:08,180
podcast UFO on kgr a radio my guest

1241
00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:10,790
tonight is Jennifer Stein and we'll be

1242
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:12,020
right back right after this commercial

1243
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:19,010
break perfect okay gang we're clear once

1244
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:21,470
again four minutes in this network right

1245
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:24,110
there just a little over it if you guys

1246
00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:25,370
need a little more

1247
00:53:28,270 --> 00:53:26,990
time to use the restroom or refresh your

1248
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:28,280
beverage or anything just let me know

1249
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:30,470
and I can accommodate you yeah I I can

1250
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:32,090
run right now into the girls room I've

1251
00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:34,820
been drinking you go right ahead I have

1252
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:36,560
actually I actually have a Skype call er

1253
00:53:42,070 --> 00:53:40,700
I'm gonna take the caller so I think I

1254
00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:42,080
have you there Skype caller what's your

1255
00:53:45,730 --> 00:53:44,140
first name where you calling from

1256
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:45,740
Charlotte man

1257
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:50,000
I'm calling from Tyler Texas okay so

1258
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:53,930
we're on break and right now but did you

1259
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:56,090
have a did you have a question or did

1260
00:54:01,600 --> 00:53:58,010
you want to talk about something in

1261
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:01,610
particular well I have a question and

1262
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:03,590
yes I am calling about something in

1263
00:54:13,330 --> 00:54:07,310
particular I just happened onto one of

1264
00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:13,340
your posts about a crash of a UFO in

1265
00:54:21,610 --> 00:54:17,860
Cape Girardeau Missouri 1941 okay and

1266
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:21,620
that's my story that's my family those

1267
00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:26,660
pictures that opposed to your car not

1268
00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:28,460
supposed to be reprinted there

1269
00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:30,830
copyrighted and I'd like to know where

1270
00:54:35,860 --> 00:54:32,860
this story where you all got it from

1271
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:35,870
what website what website are you

1272
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:42,950
looking at see I just put in a UFO 1941

1273
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:46,610
and it came up okay that's not my

1274
00:54:51,310 --> 00:54:49,490
website that's all I'm saying but do you

1275
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:51,320
want to tell we've got a few minutes

1276
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:52,970
here if you want to tell the audience

1277
00:55:00,100 --> 00:54:57,890
about that particular incident no I'm

1278
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,110
not ready to go public with it yet I'm

1279
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:03,680
trying to there's been a lot said about

1280
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,470
it and the majority is not true and I'm

1281
00:55:16,810 --> 00:55:08,240
putting that together now so I just

1282
00:55:20,650 --> 00:55:16,820
wanted to find out how it's not it's not

1283
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:20,660
my website so if you want to what I

1284
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:22,250
would suggest to do is to go to the

1285
00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:24,530
website and look down at the bottom you

1286
00:55:27,970 --> 00:55:25,630
might be able to see a webmaster

1287
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:27,980
connection and just connect with them

1288
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:30,430
and then you can ask them that question

1289
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:41,930
all right I'm back you're back yes so

1290
00:55:47,259 --> 00:55:44,099
we'll get back into the crop circles we

1291
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:47,269
have a couple minutes it looks like left

1292
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:50,579
and so this is where again I like to

1293
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,819
talk about off topic so I see I'm trying

1294
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:55,920
to see in your bookcases back behind you

1295
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:57,660
I see oh yeah a couple of interesting

1296
00:56:03,980 --> 00:56:01,920
looking images my little guys in the

1297
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:03,990
background Maya what are they called

1298
00:56:10,460 --> 00:56:07,130
EBE awards that overlaps what it is yeah

1299
00:56:12,259 --> 00:56:10,470
they're standing area I just since when

1300
00:56:13,759 --> 00:56:12,269
I do a radio show I like to pop them in

1301
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:13,769
there uh-huh

1302
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:15,960
now when you're actually filmmaking do

1303
00:56:21,259 --> 00:56:18,720
you do a lot of the work after you're

1304
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:21,269
actually at your home right in this room

1305
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:24,930
yeah yeah right here yeah I can turn my

1306
00:56:29,299 --> 00:56:26,940
computer just a little bit like this is

1307
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:29,309
my editing suite right here you know

1308
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:32,430
this is kind of under my desk but yeah

1309
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:35,069
this is my my little suite right here

1310
00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:38,970
and it's lots of bookshelves you know

1311
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:42,390
behind me I don't know if I screwed that

1312
00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:44,690
up a little bit no that's fine yeah yeah

1313
00:56:53,059 --> 00:56:50,220
so yeah you say mostly me okay that's

1314
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,069
the way to keep the budget right now it

1315
00:56:55,999 --> 00:56:54,720
sounds like your microphone may have can

1316
00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:56,009
you just check the connection on your

1317
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:58,230
microphone sure sure sure I might have

1318
00:57:03,880 --> 00:56:59,940
just moved it I don't know it's not the

1319
00:57:09,380 --> 00:57:06,680
and you see actually she actually put

1320
00:57:11,509 --> 00:57:09,390
the mic aside over on her left ear this

1321
00:57:16,579 --> 00:57:11,519
time when it was on her right side

1322
00:57:21,279 --> 00:57:16,589
before okay I actually was watching way

1323
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:21,289
that that is just a gorgeous necklace up

1324
00:57:29,299 --> 00:57:25,650
it is it absolutely is well of course I

1325
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:29,309
have on wings that's my motif or my

1326
00:57:33,529 --> 00:57:31,740
business because my name I maiden name

1327
00:57:36,259 --> 00:57:33,539
is wing before I got married it's

1328
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:36,269
Norwegian so hmm I like I like the wing

1329
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:39,210
imagery I use I used wing as my first

1330
00:57:46,279 --> 00:57:43,470
email put an s on the end of it it's WI

1331
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:46,289
ng e so I put an s on the end of it and

1332
00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:49,140
put o in on the front because I married

1333
00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:50,540
the name Stine so look

1334
00:57:56,830 --> 00:57:55,070
like a stone Martin there's the

1335
00:57:58,930 --> 00:57:56,840
interesting little tidbits people will

1336
00:58:02,140 --> 00:57:58,940
never get anywhere else but yeah you're

1337
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:02,150
off the air all right we're car we

1338
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,910
coming up on the coming yes sir yes sir

1339
00:58:11,590 --> 00:58:08,000
we've got about 25 seconds all right a

1340
00:58:14,530 --> 00:58:11,600
countdown okay that sounds good all

1341
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:14,540
right so when we get back

1342
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:16,910
Jennifer why don't we get into some more

1343
00:58:22,110 --> 00:58:18,710
the visuals and that we can pull up on

1344
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:22,120
anyway - oh well all right sounds good

1345
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:24,530
pull up the next one in order which is

1346
00:58:30,310 --> 00:58:28,370
13 all right all right we're in we're in

1347
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:30,320
good order here race whenever you want

1348
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:33,980
to count us down all right give me about

1349
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:42,230
10 seconds here okay and we're gonna be

1350
00:58:45,610 --> 00:58:43,880
taking calls just for those people on

1351
00:58:49,780 --> 00:58:45,620
YouTube we're gonna be taking calls in a

1352
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:49,790
few minutes all right here we go

1353
00:59:00,760 --> 00:58:56,570
in five four three two welcome back to

1354
00:59:04,510 --> 00:59:00,770
podcast UFO on kgr a radio kgr a

1355
00:59:09,940 --> 00:59:04,520
radio.com my guest Jennifer Stein and

1356
00:59:12,510 --> 00:59:09,950
we're talking crop circles so I think

1357
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:12,520
it's someone that said to me you know

1358
00:59:17,050 --> 00:59:14,630
what is the connect is there a

1359
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:17,060
connection between UFOs and crop circles

1360
00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:19,190
and it's kind of a blurry line because I

1361
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:22,220
know that well for instance Nancy over

1362
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:26,180
at BLT the crop circles scientific study

1363
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:29,390
there she claims that there was some

1364
00:59:34,330 --> 00:59:32,570
type of like orb flying over a field the

1365
00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:34,340
next day there was a crop circle a lot

1366
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:36,920
of people talk about orbs

1367
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:40,910
do you hear a connection between orbs

1368
00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:43,730
and crop circles well if we're going to

1369
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,160
identify an orb as a UFO then yes we

1370
00:59:52,510 --> 00:59:50,960
don't really understand you remember the

1371
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:52,520
wood block we were just talking about

1372
00:59:59,050 --> 00:59:56,000
before we went to break that farmer had

1373
01:00:01,330 --> 00:59:59,060
odd lights above his field like he said

1374
01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:01,340
though the sky was a flame and he was

1375
01:00:06,250 --> 01:00:03,830
afraid his field would catch on fire

1376
01:00:08,590 --> 01:00:06,260
because he saw these weird lights

1377
01:00:09,970 --> 01:00:08,600
dancing around in his crop and he

1378
01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:09,980
couldn't figure out what it is and I'll

1379
01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:12,140
tell you if you're in England in a dry

1380
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:16,670
season with a fire going in a field it's

1381
01:00:20,290 --> 01:00:18,410
frightening because it could be a

1382
01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:20,300
massive fire quickly like these fires

1383
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:23,990
we've seen in you know Los Angeles area

1384
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:26,180
and throughout California and of course

1385
01:00:30,970 --> 01:00:28,730
Arizona and New Mexico you don't want a

1386
01:00:35,890 --> 01:00:30,980
fire in a super dry crop because it will

1387
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:35,900
spread like wildfire so I don't know I

1388
01:00:42,310 --> 01:00:39,440
can't prove that UFOs are causing crop

1389
01:00:45,610 --> 01:00:42,320
circles so usually when I present and

1390
01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:45,620
talk I try to keep a fairly scientific

1391
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:48,590
and grounded approach because I don't

1392
01:00:54,610 --> 01:00:52,160
want to exclude people who would just

1393
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:54,620
blow me off or blow the topic off

1394
01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:57,290
because they think either I don't know

1395
01:01:02,140 --> 01:00:59,900
what I'm talking about or you know

1396
01:01:04,750 --> 01:01:02,150
people who think that aliens are making

1397
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:04,760
crop circles or nuts you know there are

1398
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:06,950
people who make those judgment calls

1399
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:09,950
so they exclude themselves from the

1400
01:01:13,150 --> 01:01:11,920
mystery of figuring out what's going on

1401
01:01:15,130 --> 01:01:13,160
now

1402
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:15,140
I've been studying and researching this

1403
01:01:19,690 --> 01:01:17,720
like in-depth like reading white papers

1404
01:01:22,270 --> 01:01:19,700
and research paper studying earthquake

1405
01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:22,280
phenomenon what happens then right

1406
01:01:26,770 --> 01:01:24,230
before an earthquake happens you all we

1407
01:01:29,050 --> 01:01:26,780
also see unusual lights going on right

1408
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:29,060
on the surface of the ground they call

1409
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:31,370
these plasma discharges or coronal mass

1410
01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:33,770
you know I'm not not not coronal that's

1411
01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:37,270
the Sun but they're like plasma

1412
01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:39,860
explosions that take place and or

1413
01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:42,200
they're orbs that fly around sometimes

1414
01:01:45,730 --> 01:01:43,820
right before an earthquake is going to

1415
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:45,740
happen so that might have something to

1416
01:01:51,730 --> 01:01:49,130
do with what's going on under the ground

1417
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:51,740
and Nancy actually brought this out

1418
01:01:59,590 --> 01:01:55,490
quite well I met a man I think his name

1419
01:02:03,460 --> 01:01:59,600
is Glen Burton Burton he's English and

1420
01:02:06,190 --> 01:02:03,470
he has studied in depth the aquifers and

1421
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:06,200
what is happening electrically in those

1422
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:08,030
aquifers in the summer is quite

1423
01:02:12,550 --> 01:02:10,370
interesting it's got you of water

1424
01:02:14,620 --> 01:02:12,560
percolating through what we call green

1425
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:14,630
sand or limestone aquifers so just

1426
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:16,670
imagine like a trough of stones and the

1427
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:17,630
water percolates

1428
01:02:23,110 --> 01:02:20,390
and it settles down through those stones

1429
01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:23,120
even fine stones and sand and when it

1430
01:02:30,190 --> 01:02:26,540
does electrons are peeled off the oxygen

1431
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:30,200
bond yeah I mean the the hydrogen and

1432
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:32,810
oxygen bond that makes up water so when

1433
01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:34,850
you have these like radical like

1434
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:36,920
electrons right flying off their

1435
01:02:41,590 --> 01:02:39,050
positive electrons usually they can

1436
01:02:43,810 --> 01:02:41,600
actually see pup to the surface and when

1437
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:43,820
you have a lot of positive ions like

1438
01:02:50,410 --> 01:02:47,030
that or positive electrons gathering

1439
01:02:53,650 --> 01:02:50,420
they're going to attract other positive

1440
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:53,660
ions or positive you know electrons in

1441
01:02:57,730 --> 01:02:55,490
the air and you may have something

1442
01:02:59,470 --> 01:02:57,740
happening similar to lightning but it's

1443
01:03:01,720 --> 01:02:59,480
happening on a different level it's

1444
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:01,730
happening on like on you know lightning

1445
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:03,890
is often a positive feeder that goes up

1446
01:03:08,290 --> 01:03:06,110
to a positive feeder coming down from

1447
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:08,300
the clouds the bottom side of the clouds

1448
01:03:14,050 --> 01:03:10,370
I want those to meet you have a circuit

1449
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:14,060
and when the circuit blinks you see the

1450
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:15,920
lightning because the charge this

1451
01:03:20,260 --> 01:03:17,930
buildup in the ground and in the cloud

1452
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:20,270
can release itself and as soon as that

1453
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:23,030
happens then you have this you know

1454
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:25,940
release of the water that can fall from

1455
01:03:30,550 --> 01:03:28,400
that cloud so what's going on is a very

1456
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:30,560
interesting electrical relationship

1457
01:03:36,460 --> 01:03:34,610
between the ground and the lower part of

1458
01:03:38,650 --> 01:03:36,470
the atmosphere of the underside of the

1459
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:38,660
cloud there might be something happening

1460
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:41,570
similarly with plasmas that we don't yet

1461
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:43,730
fully understand that creates this

1462
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:46,850
artifacting of orbs that we see and

1463
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:52,150
encounter and since consciousness in our

1464
01:03:58,660 --> 01:03:55,270
physical makeup has a lot to do with

1465
01:04:03,150 --> 01:03:58,670
light and electricity we may be actually

1466
01:04:06,310 --> 01:04:03,160
able to consciously interact with that

1467
01:04:08,290 --> 01:04:06,320
source that power source because we are

1468
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:08,300
electrical ourselves and we are

1469
01:04:15,820 --> 01:04:12,850
conscious so there may be a level of

1470
01:04:18,010 --> 01:04:15,830
some kind of sophisticated understanding

1471
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:18,020
of conscious science that we don't yet

1472
01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:20,150
know how the language that may be

1473
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:22,520
interfacing with what's going on in crop

1474
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:25,450
circles this is kind of where I've been

1475
01:04:30,490 --> 01:04:28,610
you know been drawn into basically by

1476
01:04:31,089 --> 01:04:30,500
looking at earthquake studies believe it

1477
01:04:33,489 --> 01:04:31,099
or not

1478
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:33,499
and corresponding with physicist and

1479
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:36,079
plasma physicist as well discussing this

1480
01:04:40,829 --> 01:04:38,839
topic a wonderful man I go to the

1481
01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:40,839
electric universe conferences to try to

1482
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:42,710
understand what they're talking about

1483
01:04:47,979 --> 01:04:45,410
because it all deals with electricity

1484
01:04:49,930 --> 01:04:47,989
and basically what we think of is dark

1485
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:49,940
matter and dark energy really being

1486
01:04:54,579 --> 01:04:52,880
current like electrical current that we

1487
01:04:56,620 --> 01:04:54,589
don't are not aware us but once we

1488
01:04:59,170 --> 01:04:56,630
understand that it's like an ocean that

1489
01:05:02,109 --> 01:04:59,180
we can float on in space not only float

1490
01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:02,119
on but use to power our ships or our

1491
01:05:06,339 --> 01:05:04,460
environments we can create and we may

1492
01:05:10,450 --> 01:05:06,349
even be able to travel faster than the

1493
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:10,460
speed of light it's the speed of an

1494
01:05:14,979 --> 01:05:13,369
electron supposedly is faster than the

1495
01:05:16,749 --> 01:05:14,989
speed of light now I have a hard time

1496
01:05:18,759 --> 01:05:16,759
wrapping my brain around that but that's

1497
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:18,769
what wal thornhill last told me and he's

1498
01:05:23,979 --> 01:05:21,049
one of the main key people working with

1499
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:23,989
the electric universe so it's just

1500
01:05:28,509 --> 01:05:25,910
something to think about I even heard

1501
01:05:30,460 --> 01:05:28,519
that I kind of went off topic a little

1502
01:05:32,469 --> 01:05:30,470
bit there but it does relate to

1503
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:32,479
consciousness UFOs and crop circles and

1504
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:34,729
what's really going on great I

1505
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,049
appreciate that now the other thing I

1506
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:42,160
think you want to talk about was the the

1507
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:46,400
elongated nodes yeah that's back back to

1508
01:05:50,170 --> 01:05:48,710
some more basic simple science when I

1509
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:50,180
talked about the fact that you can look

1510
01:05:56,259 --> 01:05:53,359
at some of the what we call the data

1511
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,269
trace evidence right in the field that

1512
01:05:59,410 --> 01:05:57,680
opens people's minds that might

1513
01:06:02,979 --> 01:05:59,420
otherwise be closed so if we're looking

1514
01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:02,989
at slide 13 we can see a little picture

1515
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:05,630
of a formation looks like a circle with

1516
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:08,930
two maybe half shells or half moons and

1517
01:06:14,219 --> 01:06:11,089
two little circles in it that occurred

1518
01:06:20,109 --> 01:06:14,229
of course as the lot slide says June 14

1519
01:06:22,569 --> 01:06:20,119
2007 this is from this this may be from

1520
01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:22,579
the BLT research but a site but it's

1521
01:06:26,829 --> 01:06:24,950
also from Jeff Wilson site so both of

1522
01:06:30,609 --> 01:06:26,839
them researched this particular

1523
01:06:34,690 --> 01:06:30,619
formation and you can see that these are

1524
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:34,700
nodes of a wheat crop so the node is an

1525
01:06:40,299 --> 01:06:37,849
area where like your finger the crop

1526
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:40,309
will grow in a more cellulous way and

1527
01:06:44,589 --> 01:06:42,170
then they'll have a water rich area

1528
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:44,599
which is a node where it jump-starts its

1529
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:45,050
next

1530
01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:47,330
section of growth and it'll grow quickly

1531
01:06:51,550 --> 01:06:49,040
and then it'll rest and it'll grow

1532
01:06:53,260 --> 01:06:51,560
quickly and it'll rest so there are many

1533
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,270
nodes on different types of crops

1534
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:55,760
whether they're wheat barley corn even

1535
01:06:59,980 --> 01:06:57,770
soybeans have nodes and it's the

1536
01:07:01,960 --> 01:06:59,990
water-rich part of the crop so what

1537
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:01,970
happens when a crop gets affected by

1538
01:07:06,730 --> 01:07:04,370
these high intense energies we believe

1539
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:06,740
because we've been able to mimic it sort

1540
01:07:13,330 --> 01:07:10,220
of in a in a microwave the fluid heats

1541
01:07:16,540 --> 01:07:13,340
up and when it heats up it has to expand

1542
01:07:18,430 --> 01:07:16,550
so it expands out the most water rich

1543
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:18,440
part of the crop which is usually the

1544
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:21,530
node so the nodes can elongate or

1545
01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:24,890
stretch or even sometimes we have what

1546
01:07:29,530 --> 01:07:26,750
we call expulsion cavities where the

1547
01:07:31,210 --> 01:07:29,540
node actually explodes so various

1548
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:31,220
different things happen depending on the

1549
01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:32,990
amount of energy that's hitting the crop

1550
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:35,660
and causing this incident to occur so

1551
01:07:39,940 --> 01:07:37,790
you have two two samples of nodes here

1552
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:39,950
one is called the control taken from

1553
01:07:45,790 --> 01:07:41,750
outside the formation and the other is

1554
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:45,800
it as a inside deformation noted as

1555
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:48,350
formation and you can see that one is

1556
01:07:52,270 --> 01:07:50,210
like twice as long as the other I think

1557
01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:52,280
we're looking at centimeters here and

1558
01:07:57,610 --> 01:07:55,190
one is like eight to nine centimeters or

1559
01:07:59,620 --> 01:07:57,620
I'm sorry not not quite one full

1560
01:08:02,200 --> 01:07:59,630
centimeter and the other is like a half

1561
01:08:04,510 --> 01:08:02,210
a centimeter so it's twice twice the

1562
01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:04,520
size inside the formation as opposed to

1563
01:08:08,860 --> 01:08:06,740
outside now what also is a

1564
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:08,870
misinterpretation I like to point out

1565
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:11,510
for people is the darkening does not

1566
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:14,210
reflect the third node is burned or that

1567
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:16,970
the crop is burned that shows that the

1568
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:20,089
fluid quickly seeped through the node as

1569
01:08:26,530 --> 01:08:23,510
it stretched and elongated and bug

1570
01:08:28,990 --> 01:08:26,540
showed up flies gnats and landed on that

1571
01:08:31,270 --> 01:08:29,000
fluid and ate it or you know sucked it

1572
01:08:33,849 --> 01:08:31,280
up used it for energy and left behind

1573
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:33,859
bacteria which then decays and that's a

1574
01:08:39,099 --> 01:08:36,890
process known as necrosis so you're

1575
01:08:41,890 --> 01:08:39,109
looking at the darkening of the crop and

1576
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:41,900
you I noted the process of necrosis at

1577
01:08:46,090 --> 01:08:43,730
the bottom of the slide so it's just

1578
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:46,100
just goes to show you that when you

1579
01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:48,049
start to dig into this there's a lot of

1580
01:08:52,809 --> 01:08:50,630
science fair so we can jump to the next

1581
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:52,819
slide unless you want to enter yeah yeah

1582
01:08:58,899 --> 01:08:56,210
sure no I I think it's it's interesting

1583
01:09:02,590 --> 01:08:58,909
that there's actually physically

1584
01:09:05,950 --> 01:09:02,600
there's physical changes that happen

1585
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,960
that's not it's not actually a break you

1586
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:08,000
know you'd expect that if it was stomped

1587
01:09:11,919 --> 01:09:10,040
down it would be a break is there

1588
01:09:15,249 --> 01:09:11,929
anything physically that someone could

1589
01:09:17,490 --> 01:09:15,259
do to make it do that or is it it has to

1590
01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:17,500
be through heat or something you can't

1591
01:09:21,610 --> 01:09:20,150
controlled environment you can't make it

1592
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,620
do what it does

1593
01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:24,560
I've been in known hoaxed formations

1594
01:09:30,010 --> 01:09:26,839
like those advertising ads I told you

1595
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:30,020
about before we never see this kind of

1596
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,130
stuff in those ever never we in fact we

1597
01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:37,040
see broken crops right at the stem and a

1598
01:09:41,769 --> 01:09:39,230
lot of times we can see board marks and

1599
01:09:44,620 --> 01:09:41,779
foot marks you can see foot marks in the

1600
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:44,630
field you can see pole marks where

1601
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:46,489
people put in poles and they did things

1602
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:49,250
with string to get an act exact circle

1603
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:51,049
you can do with a simple pole and string

1604
01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:54,409
or a rake yes yes oh yeah yeah we can

1605
01:09:59,229 --> 01:09:56,030
easily find things so if you're looking

1606
01:10:01,660 --> 01:09:59,239
at slide 15 you can see this is from

1607
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:01,670
that same formation oh I'm sorry it's a

1608
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,570
different formation

1609
01:10:07,090 --> 01:10:04,159
forgive me but around the same period of

1610
01:10:09,370 --> 01:10:07,100
time it's July 4th 2003 this was in

1611
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:09,380
Wisconsin you can see a little picture

1612
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:12,050
of the three circles that appeared and

1613
01:10:16,419 --> 01:10:13,730
this formation actually had an eye

1614
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:16,429
witness to and I think his name was art

1615
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,250
Rantala he watched this happen so Jeff

1616
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,960
Wilson is pictured there with our trim

1617
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,480
tala and another guy named Roger

1618
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:24,080
sturgeon and they went out to

1619
01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:26,449
investigate it here you can clearly see

1620
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:32,600
on left hand side a clear what we call

1621
01:10:36,820 --> 01:10:35,330
an expulsion cavity where the literally

1622
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,830
the side of the node is not only

1623
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,440
enlarged but it's blown out and you can

1624
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:41,600
see into the inner part of the crop but

1625
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:45,050
not only that right above it you'll see

1626
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:47,270
the wheat head which is sitting on you

1627
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,770
supposed to be sitting right on top of

1628
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,440
the crop but instead the we've had is

1629
01:10:58,330 --> 01:10:54,800
pushed off and there's this long curly

1630
01:10:59,950 --> 01:10:58,340
cue from the top of the a wheat stalk to

1631
01:11:03,070 --> 01:10:59,960
the wheat head can you see that that

1632
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:03,080
little curlicue thing there it's quite

1633
01:11:07,860 --> 01:11:04,790
fascinating the other thing you're

1634
01:11:11,169 --> 01:11:07,870
looking at is a magnet holding the soil

1635
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:11,179
okay if you go out in your yard with a

1636
01:11:14,420 --> 01:11:12,810
magnet it's dealt

1637
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:14,430
that the soil is going to stick to a

1638
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:17,460
magnet but in a crop circle what we find

1639
01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:19,320
when we look at the soil under a

1640
01:11:24,460 --> 01:11:21,420
microscope which is also pictured there

1641
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:24,470
on that slide we find not only

1642
01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:28,050
interesting coagulation of metallic and

1643
01:11:32,290 --> 01:11:30,300
magnetic metals that are clumped

1644
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:32,300
together but we also find these little

1645
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:34,470
tiny things that look like ball bearings

1646
01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:36,840
right we can see them under a microscope

1647
01:11:40,940 --> 01:11:39,150
they're like what you would have in a in

1648
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:40,950
a rolling drawer in your kitchen or

1649
01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:42,840
something if you had a you know rolling

1650
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:44,820
ball bearings in a sliding door or

1651
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:46,710
something like that now how do those

1652
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,560
form they're perfectly spherical there's

1653
01:11:54,170 --> 01:11:51,360
a lot of evidence but they could be

1654
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:54,180
forming by something coming down quickly

1655
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:56,310
with a plasma energy from the upper

1656
01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:58,050
atmosphere because we have large amounts

1657
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:00,300
of magnetic dust up there and if you

1658
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:02,280
have plasma energy that could actually

1659
01:12:07,340 --> 01:12:04,380
draw those things together because

1660
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:07,350
they're magnetic keep them spiral them

1661
01:12:11,780 --> 01:12:09,930
spin them thrust them down to the ground

1662
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,790
because of some kind of release or

1663
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:13,920
exchange going on remember we're talking

1664
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:15,900
about the ground and the upper

1665
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:18,600
atmosphere connecting like lightning but

1666
01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:20,970
different there could be a plasma

1667
01:12:25,460 --> 01:12:23,100
discharge pulling these down to the

1668
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:25,470
ground or they could fall to the ground

1669
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,980
because the time bit crop circles occur

1670
01:12:34,940 --> 01:12:31,440
is very very very early in the morning

1671
01:12:37,070 --> 01:12:34,950
it's like 3:30 4:30 in the morning and

1672
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:37,080
what's actually happening electrically

1673
01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:39,480
is you have to kind of go back and look

1674
01:12:45,260 --> 01:12:41,070
at the subtle earth energies that are

1675
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:45,270
going on at that period of time you're

1676
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:47,460
just beginning to come up on sunrise so

1677
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:49,560
the Sun is coming up you know on the far

1678
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:51,900
side of the earth and it's pushing mass

1679
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:53,850
amounts of electrical charge across the

1680
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,770
surface of the earth like a wave just

1681
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:57,840
like the wave of an ocean you don't see

1682
01:13:01,690 --> 01:12:59,940
it but it's happening on the surface so

1683
01:13:04,730 --> 01:13:01,700
as the Sun comes up you have this

1684
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:04,740
circular wave of energy going on with

1685
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:07,020
electrical charges from the ground up to

1686
01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:09,090
the upper atmosphere you also have a

1687
01:13:16,130 --> 01:13:12,030
very very very thin ionosphere which is

1688
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,140
our electrical barrier right it's kind

1689
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:18,000
of like our atmosphere is below it and

1690
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:22,290
the mega sphere is above it and this is

1691
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,930
hugely important as well because if a

1692
01:13:30,020 --> 01:13:26,640
plasma is going to penetrate the

1693
01:13:32,180 --> 01:13:30,030
this is the finished part of its life in

1694
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:32,190
a 24-hour cycle and it would be very

1695
01:13:37,460 --> 01:13:34,770
easy for it to penetrate so maybe these

1696
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:37,470
little tiny balls that you're looking at

1697
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:39,210
that I was talking about earlier these

1698
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,440
little tiny you know now spheres maybe

1699
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:46,080
they are literally being vomited down

1700
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:48,540
onto the crop and that's probably what

1701
01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:51,090
makes the crop circle magnetic because

1702
01:13:55,460 --> 01:13:52,740
when you walk in and you're on a cell

1703
01:13:57,020 --> 01:13:55,470
phone call right your cell phone drops

1704
01:13:58,850 --> 01:13:57,030
off and you step outside of the

1705
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,860
formation right you can you can take

1706
01:14:02,150 --> 01:14:00,480
your phone and hold it inside the

1707
01:14:04,340 --> 01:14:02,160
formation or outside the formation

1708
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:04,350
outside your bars come back and you have

1709
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:06,570
your call you take it inside the edge of

1710
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:08,970
the formation and it disappears so often

1711
01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:10,710
there's a magnetic field happening

1712
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:13,590
inside these formations which is really

1713
01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:16,110
fascinating so what's causing it large

1714
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:18,390
amounts of magnetic debris could be

1715
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:21,960
creating a field one one quick question

1716
01:14:27,650 --> 01:14:24,570
about those little spheres

1717
01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:27,660
did you also test outside of the circle

1718
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:29,670
to see if they were right and they were

1719
01:14:36,260 --> 01:14:33,810
right there no no they are not and the

1720
01:14:38,150 --> 01:14:36,270
coagulation of the soils are not so

1721
01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:38,160
usually when a formation is tested

1722
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:40,590
scientifically there's a line drawn

1723
01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:42,330
through it I don't think I I mean look

1724
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:45,750
and see if I gave us a slide mmm I

1725
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,640
didn't really I didn't really give us a

1726
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:50,640
good slide showing how the evaluations

1727
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:52,890
are done but basically we draw like a

1728
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:55,110
big line through the crops sometimes two

1729
01:14:59,840 --> 01:14:57,930
three or four if we can and they're not

1730
01:15:01,970 --> 01:14:59,850
only inside the crop but outside the

1731
01:15:04,490 --> 01:15:01,980
crop on certain trajectories that cross

1732
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:04,500
so we can compare okay is something

1733
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:06,570
happening on the Sun line or something

1734
01:15:11,150 --> 01:15:09,000
happening on the water line or you know

1735
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:11,160
and we can look at outside and inside

1736
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:13,260
and and look for comparisons and we

1737
01:15:18,380 --> 01:15:15,510
usually find them and then all that data

1738
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:18,390
is plotted on a graph so what about the

1739
01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:20,970
metallurgy of these spheres did you

1740
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:24,750
discover what exactly were they anything

1741
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:29,520
unusual actually yes there was a lot of

1742
01:15:35,810 --> 01:15:33,270
work done by BLT research and there are

1743
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:35,820
some peer-reviewed documents on Nancy

1744
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,710
Talbots website that people can go and

1745
01:15:44,420 --> 01:15:40,560
look at that really go into

1746
01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:44,430
great depth in fact Nelson Rockefeller I

1747
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:46,020
think it was no Laurance Rockefeller

1748
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,640
actually donated $100,000 to do an

1749
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:52,800
in-depth research with a number of

1750
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:55,500
researchers to specifically look at the

1751
01:16:00,260 --> 01:15:58,410
soil samples that were and look at the

1752
01:16:04,670 --> 01:16:00,270
metal samples and look at the crop

1753
01:16:07,970 --> 01:16:04,680
damage and a major claim in our mineral

1754
01:16:09,650 --> 01:16:07,980
ologist named Rennels can't remember his

1755
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:09,660
first name but the professor Reynolds

1756
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:11,850
said he was really really really

1757
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:14,880
perplexed because the amount of heat

1758
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:17,130
that it would take to create something

1759
01:16:23,690 --> 01:16:21,900
like he was looking at in the the study

1760
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,700
focused on the crystallinity that

1761
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:25,440
happened to the clay mineral so it

1762
01:16:30,230 --> 01:16:27,690
wasn't just the metals specifically but

1763
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:30,240
it was the different types of iliac and

1764
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:33,330
smectite types of clay minerals they

1765
01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:35,460
were crystallized but the only way to

1766
01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:37,230
get them crystallized would require

1767
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:43,020
close to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit over a

1768
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:46,770
long period of time for the water and

1769
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:50,400
moisture and whatever liquid was in that

1770
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:54,570
crop to escape before that soil could

1771
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,640
become crystalline and interestingly

1772
01:17:01,400 --> 01:16:59,040
where the nodes were the greatest in a

1773
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,410
formation the crystallinity peaks were

1774
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:03,360
the highest on what's called the Kubler

1775
01:17:10,730 --> 01:17:05,850
index charts that they looked at for the

1776
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:10,740
data so that's fascinating it is like

1777
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:15,600
anything anything that can be looked at

1778
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:17,850
that's unusual like this in a scientific

1779
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:20,880
way to me you know deserves a really

1780
01:17:28,370 --> 01:17:25,380
close look so sure sure sure sure does

1781
01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:28,380
and of course we can we can jump to

1782
01:17:36,740 --> 01:17:33,300
slide 18 if you want I believe that is a

1783
01:17:39,140 --> 01:17:36,750
grasshopper that melted right over a

1784
01:17:43,490 --> 01:17:39,150
stalk you know we didn't get slide 18

1785
01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:43,500
I'm sorry yeah wait a minute

1786
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:45,750
there's we have one something about a

1787
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:48,210
grasshopper it's it wasn't maybe I'm

1788
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:50,130
totally wrong so go ahead well what

1789
01:17:54,110 --> 01:17:52,920
popped over yes animal and insect

1790
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:54,120
findings

1791
01:18:00,680 --> 01:17:55,920
across the top yeah yeah we got it we

1792
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:00,690
got it okay right mine says 18 and you

1793
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:02,370
know I might have pulled slides from oh

1794
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:05,340
that's okay exactly I have a lot

1795
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:07,110
different PowerPoint presentations and

1796
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:08,820
stuff goes in and stuff comes out and

1797
01:18:13,220 --> 01:18:11,460
the slide numbers change but that's this

1798
01:18:15,140 --> 01:18:13,230
is the type of thing you find a lot and

1799
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:15,150
you're kind of trained to start to look

1800
01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:17,370
for as a crop circle researcher so you

1801
01:18:23,420 --> 01:18:19,830
can clearly see that grasshoppers body

1802
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:23,430
is melted right over that crop so we

1803
01:18:30,170 --> 01:18:26,730
find flies we find sometimes hard cooked

1804
01:18:33,230 --> 01:18:30,180
eggs we find you know even somebody

1805
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:33,240
found a cooked porcupine cooked mice it

1806
01:18:39,710 --> 01:18:36,060
looks like they were microwaved Wow and

1807
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:39,720
and are these these actually are you

1808
01:18:47,770 --> 01:18:41,820
sure that these things are like cooked

1809
01:18:51,230 --> 01:18:47,780
and not just preserved somehow by well

1810
01:18:54,770 --> 01:18:51,240
they're dead and it looks like they were

1811
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,780
scrambling like we find flies stuck to

1812
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,360
the crop now what is gonna what is gonna

1813
01:19:01,640 --> 01:18:59,580
take a large group of flies and cook

1814
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:01,650
them to the end of a week stalk I'm

1815
01:19:04,940 --> 01:19:03,090
sorry I didn't put one of those slides

1816
01:19:06,710 --> 01:19:04,950
in for you but you shake the stalk and

1817
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:06,720
the Flies don't come off the Flies are

1818
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:09,600
literally melted onto that crop they're

1819
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:12,330
fused with the crop so something pretty

1820
01:19:17,390 --> 01:19:14,970
significant happened yeah and that's

1821
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:17,400
what we try to pay attention to as a

1822
01:19:21,980 --> 01:19:19,890
crop circle researcher and another thing

1823
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:21,990
that I look at I don't think I even put

1824
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:25,620
a slide in about this I did not but I go

1825
01:19:30,380 --> 01:19:27,510
and look at what we call randomly downed

1826
01:19:32,660 --> 01:19:30,390
crop any of your listeners especially if

1827
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:32,670
they you know live near agricultural

1828
01:19:36,170 --> 01:19:34,620
areas they're gonna be driving along the

1829
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:36,180
side of the highway and look out and see

1830
01:19:41,330 --> 01:19:38,970
large areas that look like they're messy

1831
01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:41,340
and down and the rest of the crop is

1832
01:19:46,460 --> 01:19:44,100
standing up if they've got time and it's

1833
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:46,470
um they're not worried about trespassing

1834
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:47,970
or they know the farmer you know go

1835
01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:49,650
knock on the farmers door and say hey

1836
01:19:54,740 --> 01:19:52,590
can I can I take a look in your crop

1837
01:19:57,740 --> 01:19:54,750
like what's what's going on out here why

1838
01:19:59,690 --> 01:19:57,750
did your crop suddenly fall over and why

1839
01:20:02,510 --> 01:19:59,700
is it not standing straight up it's not

1840
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:02,520
wind if it was wind the crop would fall

1841
01:20:07,609 --> 01:20:05,400
over and then write itself back up but

1842
01:20:09,589 --> 01:20:07,619
this crop is permanently downed an

1843
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:09,599
like something electrical happen to it

1844
01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:11,550
like and you can almost see what looks

1845
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:14,310
like a wave that ran through it and I

1846
01:20:19,970 --> 01:20:16,739
think it's like an electrical wave like

1847
01:20:22,189 --> 01:20:19,980
a plasma wave because plasmas operate in

1848
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:22,199
similar ways that other fluid dynamics

1849
01:20:27,919 --> 01:20:25,170
do but they're much much much much much

1850
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:27,929
more powerful I spent a year reading

1851
01:20:33,140 --> 01:20:31,320
Anthony peratt's book about the plan the

1852
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,150
physical nature of the plasma universe

1853
01:20:39,490 --> 01:20:36,480
and I have to confess like a lot of the

1854
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:39,500
math I just I let it go over my head I

1855
01:20:43,820 --> 01:20:42,210
did you know I do have a Bachelor of

1856
01:20:46,879 --> 01:20:43,830
Science and I did do a lot of chemistry

1857
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:46,889
for my undergraduate degree which was in

1858
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:50,639
textiles but you spend time reading

1859
01:20:54,379 --> 01:20:52,380
Anthony Perez book and you start looking

1860
01:20:55,729 --> 01:20:54,389
at the geometries and the way plasmas

1861
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:55,739
behave and then you start looking at

1862
01:21:01,129 --> 01:20:58,260
crop circles and you see the similarity

1863
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:01,139
immediately and you understand the

1864
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:03,449
powerful force that plasma energies have

1865
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:06,090
and you can begin to extrapolate as I

1866
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:08,310
think I have that something electrical

1867
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,440
is going on so I really need to find a

1868
01:21:15,140 --> 01:21:13,199
good geologist in good physical plasma

1869
01:21:17,089 --> 01:21:15,150
expert who'd be willing to start

1870
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:17,099
exploring this with me I've started a

1871
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,050
dialogue with Gerald Wolfe and another

1872
01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:21,840
man named Friedman Stanton not the

1873
01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:25,590
Stanton Friedman doing Wow this makes

1874
01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:28,409
reverse yeah really that really nice a

1875
01:21:36,530 --> 01:21:33,510
lot of people up yeah there's a you in

1876
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,540
his name someone didn't a chat room had

1877
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,159
a question they wanted to know do these

1878
01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:40,400
crop circles ever appear in corn fields

1879
01:21:48,169 --> 01:21:44,820
yeah yes in fact let's jump to a corn

1880
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:48,179
field presentation it's slide 33 all

1881
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:51,110
right yeah we'll get that right up okay

1882
01:21:57,459 --> 01:21:54,570
that's up now so go ahead that's a corn

1883
01:22:00,410 --> 01:21:57,469
field okay corn yeah it's an aerial shot

1884
01:22:03,109 --> 01:22:00,420
taken from an airplane I talked to the

1885
01:22:05,180 --> 01:22:03,119
guy who walked into this formation I met

1886
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:05,190
him at a conference in Ohio and he said

1887
01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:07,860
to me Jen he said it had been raining

1888
01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:10,020
you've been this huge you know storm the

1889
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:12,270
night before it was muddy my boots were

1890
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:14,010
covered with mud when I walked into this

1891
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:16,440
and when I got to the actual formation

1892
01:22:21,380 --> 01:22:19,290
the soil where the formation is was dry

1893
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:21,390
he said it was his he was a bill

1894
01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:23,400
and he said it was like drywall and he

1895
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:25,500
started like banging his fist or his

1896
01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:26,130
thumb

1897
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:28,140
you know his knuckle on the table and

1898
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:29,250
he's saying you know it's like it's

1899
01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:30,810
hardness drywall like I couldn't put my

1900
01:22:35,780 --> 01:22:33,270
finger through the soil and I was like

1901
01:22:38,900 --> 01:22:35,790
wow well that's interesting you know

1902
01:22:41,420 --> 01:22:38,910
I'll just change yeah this of course

1903
01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:41,430
this picture is done by Chris steel I

1904
01:22:48,490 --> 01:22:44,700
always like to add a note he's from ICC

1905
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:48,500
RA one of Jeff Wilson's researchers and

1906
01:22:54,860 --> 01:22:52,110
this formation had blown collars or

1907
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,870
blown nodes in the corn stalk actually

1908
01:22:59,390 --> 01:22:57,360
all the way up the stock I did get to to

1909
01:23:01,640 --> 01:22:59,400
look at pictures of the mine it I didn't

1910
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:01,650
research this one myself but the soil

1911
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:05,280
was dry and very magnetic and one of the

1912
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:07,560
things we didn't talk about yet but I'm

1913
01:23:13,190 --> 01:23:10,170
hoping to get to is the fact that it was

1914
01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:13,200
near an ancient mound in fact one of the

1915
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:17,340
next slides I have for you as 35 ok it

1916
01:23:23,060 --> 01:23:19,770
it actually has two mounds pictured

1917
01:23:26,170 --> 01:23:23,070
there for you but this corn formation

1918
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:26,180
that you're looking at was less than

1919
01:23:31,070 --> 01:23:29,010
1/16 of a mile from what's called the

1920
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:31,080
miamisburg mound which is on the left

1921
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:33,000
this is one of the largest conical

1922
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:34,890
mounds that we have in the United States

1923
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,260
meaning it just it looks like the one on

1924
01:23:42,710 --> 01:23:39,120
the right but you can't see it as well

1925
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:42,720
it's also the Miamisburg mound looks

1926
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:46,530
smaller than Silbury Hill to researchers

1927
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:48,930
from the Smithsonian named squire and

1928
01:23:54,140 --> 01:23:52,290
Davis were assigned a job in the 1850s

1929
01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:54,150
to go around and research a lot of the

1930
01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:58,410
ancient mounds in Ohio and Kentucky and

1931
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:01,920
Wisconsin and Indiana and in many cases

1932
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:04,710
take them apart and I believe they took

1933
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:06,810
this mound apart we know historically

1934
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:08,730
they did when they put it back together

1935
01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:11,010
at MIT and quite do it right because

1936
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:13,500
it's wider at the bottom it's kind of

1937
01:24:18,890 --> 01:24:16,890
cockeyed at the top but it has a number

1938
01:24:23,420 --> 01:24:18,900
of steps up the top it has a flat

1939
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:23,430
plateau at the top and this is in an

1940
01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:26,310
area called miamisburg because the Mount

1941
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:28,380
will the mound is named the miamisburg

1942
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:31,310
mound because it's closest to miamisburg

1943
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:34,530
Ohio but we think our nouns and

1944
01:24:42,169 --> 01:24:39,360
our country are maybe a thousand years

1945
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:42,179
old or less you know we don't we think

1946
01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:43,860
the Native Americans built them which is

1947
01:24:47,569 --> 01:24:45,480
probably not true because the Native

1948
01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:47,579
Americans often said in their oral

1949
01:24:51,799 --> 01:24:49,289
histories and their written histories at

1950
01:24:53,029 --> 01:24:51,809
the cavalry have that we didn't we

1951
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:53,039
didn't build them out so they were here

1952
01:24:57,979 --> 01:24:56,130
before we honored the people who built

1953
01:25:00,140 --> 01:24:57,989
them before and in many cases there are

1954
01:25:02,569 --> 01:25:00,150
stories linked to this giant race I was

1955
01:25:04,549 --> 01:25:02,579
talking about red hair blue-eyed Giants

1956
01:25:06,589 --> 01:25:04,559
who were involved in mound building but

1957
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:06,599
that's a that's another story it there's

1958
01:25:10,819 --> 01:25:08,369
also a whole theory that it could be a

1959
01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:10,829
race of Nubians or a group who had been

1960
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:14,369
here from from Egypt mining precious

1961
01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:16,860
metals up in the top of Wisconsin and

1962
01:25:20,750 --> 01:25:18,270
bringing him down the Mississippi River

1963
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:20,760
but again that's a another podcast so

1964
01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:23,250
you're seeing a mound on the opposite

1965
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:25,800
side called Silbury Hill and this mound

1966
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:27,780
is in England considered to be close to

1967
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:30,449
four to five thousand years old you know

1968
01:25:35,450 --> 01:25:33,570
in fact uh yeah at least that or longer

1969
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:35,460
and many people think the Druids made

1970
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:38,070
them but let's jump to our next slide

1971
01:25:42,979 --> 01:25:40,110
because you're gonna see these both from

1972
01:25:45,620 --> 01:25:42,989
the air in the next slide whatever is

1973
01:25:49,959 --> 01:25:45,630
thirty six okay hey just to let you know

1974
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:49,969
I'm going to be accepting phone calls so

1975
01:25:56,060 --> 01:25:54,360
and is that okay with you oh yeah all

1976
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:56,070
right so that number will be up on the

1977
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,530
screen it's already out over at the chat

1978
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:01,920
in kgr a radio so that numbers coming

1979
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:04,530
out right up here we go so when you look

1980
01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:07,050
at these two mounds they're still in the

1981
01:26:12,379 --> 01:26:09,630
same place miamisburg is on the left and

1982
01:26:13,939 --> 01:26:12,389
Silbury Hill is on the right so they

1983
01:26:17,089 --> 01:26:13,949
look like the same mound when you look

1984
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:17,099
at them from the air don't they you do

1985
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:20,070
yeah it doesn't take you know a rocket

1986
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:23,730
science to think that maybe the same

1987
01:26:28,189 --> 01:26:26,070
culture that built these in in Europe

1988
01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:28,199
and in England might have been involved

1989
01:26:32,180 --> 01:26:30,030
in also building them here in the United

1990
01:26:34,279 --> 01:26:32,190
States and we have overlooked this

1991
01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:34,289
history you know there's this manifest

1992
01:26:38,569 --> 01:26:36,420
destiny that was brought into place by

1993
01:26:41,450 --> 01:26:38,579
our founding fathers who really wanted

1994
01:26:43,339 --> 01:26:41,460
to eradicate any type of traditional or

1995
01:26:45,589 --> 01:26:43,349
Native American or indigenous histories

1996
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:45,599
that were here and so we know very

1997
01:26:48,020 --> 01:26:47,130
little about the cultures that built

1998
01:26:50,180 --> 01:26:48,030
these mounds

1999
01:26:54,170 --> 01:26:50,190
but remember what we were talking about

2000
01:26:58,810 --> 01:26:54,180
before about how greensand aquifers are

2001
01:27:02,870 --> 01:26:58,820
very interesting geologically profound

2002
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:02,880
electrically stimulating areas these

2003
01:27:08,650 --> 01:27:06,480
mounds both in England and in the United

2004
01:27:11,690 --> 01:27:08,660
States are built in areas where you have

2005
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:11,700
large green sand aquifers under the

2006
01:27:17,540 --> 01:27:14,970
ground is that because there is a

2007
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:17,550
conscious connection that these ancient

2008
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:20,040
cultures somehow understood they were

2009
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:22,050
probably meditators I mean they didn't

2010
01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:24,450
have all the electronic distractions of

2011
01:27:30,110 --> 01:27:28,110
course that we have they probably paid

2012
01:27:32,660 --> 01:27:30,120
attention to their intuition and maybe

2013
01:27:36,430 --> 01:27:32,670
their intuition was heightened or their

2014
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:36,440
awareness was heightened around areas

2015
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:40,110
that had these geologic electrical

2016
01:27:47,180 --> 01:27:43,490
charges and maybe they built these

2017
01:27:50,090 --> 01:27:47,190
geometric shapes because that magnified

2018
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,100
their purse their ability to perceive or

2019
01:27:56,210 --> 01:27:53,280
connect and with the more subtler realms

2020
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,220
of consciousness I suspect there's an

2021
01:28:00,860 --> 01:27:58,800
overlap there's a wonderful book by John

2022
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:00,870
Burke who actually worked with with

2023
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,260
Nancy Talbott that's the I think the be

2024
01:28:08,690 --> 01:28:06,000
in BLT

2025
01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:08,700
so John Burke wrote a book called stone

2026
01:28:14,420 --> 01:28:12,510
of stone of knowledge seed a seed of

2027
01:28:19,730 --> 01:28:14,430
plenty I think what's the name of the

2028
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:19,740
book and he leads his reader to the

2029
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:22,290
awareness that ancient cultures had a

2030
01:28:27,860 --> 01:28:24,210
relationship with the land that we've

2031
01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:27,870
lost in our current day culture and if

2032
01:28:32,780 --> 01:28:30,060
there is a form of consciousness trying

2033
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,790
to reach out to us and communicate this

2034
01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:34,560
would be a perfect environment in which

2035
01:28:39,020 --> 01:28:35,340
to do it

2036
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:39,030
where you have electrical powers in the

2037
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:41,730
ground that can affect our consciousness

2038
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:43,770
and that can affect the crop and the

2039
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:48,960
geometries and I I don't know but I have

2040
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:52,080
to pay attention to this and following

2041
01:28:57,700 --> 01:28:54,210
that thought I'm gonna call out another

2042
01:29:01,520 --> 01:28:57,710
slide for you one of the next ones 37

2043
01:29:04,850 --> 01:29:01,530
okay so these are edition

2044
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:04,860
shaped ancient mouths different than

2045
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:06,510
conical mounds so these are not just

2046
01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:09,090
Peaks that look like pyramids or Hills

2047
01:29:16,430 --> 01:29:12,630
made out of soil these are circles these

2048
01:29:18,020 --> 01:29:16,440
are huge like oval geometries laid on

2049
01:29:21,020 --> 01:29:18,030
the ground they're about ten foot high

2050
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:21,030
you know and then ten foot drops and

2051
01:29:28,030 --> 01:29:23,820
then on one side there is a deep ridge

2052
01:29:31,130 --> 01:29:28,040
so again on the right we have English

2053
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:31,140
large mouths one is called a brewery

2054
01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:33,210
there's a whole town inside of this

2055
01:29:38,450 --> 01:29:36,150
we're looking at like 80 acres that's

2056
01:29:42,230 --> 01:29:38,460
how big this thing is and there used to

2057
01:29:44,690 --> 01:29:42,240
be stones laid inside this mound and of

2058
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,700
course at the bottom is Stonehenge so

2059
01:29:49,730 --> 01:29:47,280
many people do not realize that the

2060
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:49,740
builders of Stonehenge also built an

2061
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:54,210
earthen mound which is outside the stone

2062
01:29:58,670 --> 01:29:56,490
perimeters so there's something about

2063
01:30:02,420 --> 01:29:58,680
geometries on the ground that are very

2064
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,430
profound is it because being inside a

2065
01:30:07,460 --> 01:30:05,520
geometry see we know sacred geometry is

2066
01:30:09,170 --> 01:30:07,470
very profound when we look at it it

2067
01:30:11,870 --> 01:30:09,180
gives us a sense of balance like

2068
01:30:13,820 --> 01:30:11,880
listening to classical music right but

2069
01:30:16,130 --> 01:30:13,830
what if there's a huge geometry that

2070
01:30:17,540 --> 01:30:16,140
you're standing in and then you're

2071
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:17,550
meditating and you've got these

2072
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:19,410
electrical things going on to the ground

2073
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:21,330
and the sky and different times of day

2074
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:25,530
when energies are different is there is

2075
01:30:30,860 --> 01:30:28,380
there something significant here

2076
01:30:34,850 --> 01:30:30,870
I think the ancient cultures knew that

2077
01:30:38,330 --> 01:30:34,860
and there was an even Stonehenge smelled

2078
01:30:40,130 --> 01:30:38,340
has a doorway opening to it if you look

2079
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:40,140
at the whole circle it seems to go all

2080
01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:41,850
the way around except it doesn't

2081
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:43,950
completely meet there's an entrance can

2082
01:30:48,890 --> 01:30:45,360
you see that at the bottom of the slide

2083
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:48,900
that lined with the Solstice so these

2084
01:30:53,930 --> 01:30:51,930
were pointing to astronomical alignments

2085
01:30:55,820 --> 01:30:53,940
mean many people said Stonehenge well it

2086
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:55,830
was a clock you know it was a way to

2087
01:31:01,700 --> 01:30:59,040
tell time galactically possibly or to

2088
01:31:05,780 --> 01:31:01,710
mark changes in precession you know

2089
01:31:08,210 --> 01:31:05,790
every 71 years there's a in our

2090
01:31:10,850 --> 01:31:08,220
relationship with our pole star and with

2091
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:10,860
our I'm sorry not with our pole star

2092
01:31:13,970 --> 01:31:13,770
with our so dial constellations you know

2093
01:31:16,330 --> 01:31:13,980
we

2094
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:16,340
means very very slowly I think it's

2095
01:31:20,270 --> 01:31:18,930
26,000 years before we make a full cycle

2096
01:31:21,950 --> 01:31:20,280
well the only way you're gonna be able

2097
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:21,960
to know that is with something like

2098
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:23,970
Stonehenge on the ground looking at the

2099
01:31:28,580 --> 01:31:26,370
night sky that's how you mark your

2100
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:28,590
procession so when you look at ancient

2101
01:31:34,010 --> 01:31:31,050
cultures they paid attention to these

2102
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:34,020
long long long counts of twenty six

2103
01:31:37,970 --> 01:31:35,970
twenty seven twenty nine thousand years

2104
01:31:39,650 --> 01:31:37,980
you know

2105
01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:39,660
wait we worry about what's happening in

2106
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:42,060
just this quarter right the last four

2107
01:31:45,979 --> 01:31:44,340
months you know it's it's a very

2108
01:31:48,770 --> 01:31:45,989
different mindset these ancient cultures

2109
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:48,780
so jumping to the opposite side of the

2110
01:31:54,110 --> 01:31:51,120
slide we're looking at mounts that are

2111
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:54,120
identical to bees now and they're in the

2112
01:31:59,780 --> 01:31:57,060
United States so one is in Newark it's

2113
01:32:02,720 --> 01:31:59,790
in Licking County and it's actually a

2114
01:32:05,870 --> 01:32:02,730
golf course that's the only way it's

2115
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:05,880
survived to today unless these mounds

2116
01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:08,070
are bought and preserved often by

2117
01:32:13,340 --> 01:32:10,380
private investors they're going by the

2118
01:32:16,850 --> 01:32:13,350
wayside him and we've lost probably over

2119
01:32:18,979 --> 01:32:16,860
a million of them and I mean I that's my

2120
01:32:22,250 --> 01:32:18,989
personal guestimation but I could be way

2121
01:32:24,110 --> 01:32:22,260
off but below the the Licking mound is

2122
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:24,120
the Newark mouth it's not too far from

2123
01:32:29,630 --> 01:32:26,850
Columbus so people flying in and out of

2124
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:29,640
Ohio it's about a 15-minute drive from

2125
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:32,010
the Columbus Airport and every time I

2126
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:34,020
fly in and out of there if I go for a

2127
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:36,330
lecture or I visit friends or family and

2128
01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:39,210
in Ohio I just I love to take time and

2129
01:32:45,170 --> 01:32:42,900
just you know head over the highway and

2130
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:45,180
it's literally not a bad drive at all

2131
01:32:50,540 --> 01:32:47,520
and just go and walk up in this Mound

2132
01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:50,550
it's like breathtakingly beautiful I do

2133
01:32:55,690 --> 01:32:52,920
remember that as far as Native Americans

2134
01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:55,700
go I believe it's the Micmac Indians

2135
01:33:03,340 --> 01:32:58,920
native to the area I live in in northern

2136
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:03,350
New England they built they built mounds

2137
01:33:08,630 --> 01:33:06,690
for burial purposes but they were much

2138
01:33:10,420 --> 01:33:08,640
smaller than you know of these massive

2139
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:10,430
mounds that you're you're talking about

2140
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:13,530
so there is some there is some Native

2141
01:33:20,300 --> 01:33:16,050
American culture that did believe in you

2142
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:20,310
know building mounds but you're right

2143
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:23,370
history is lost so you know we we have a

2144
01:33:28,309 --> 01:33:26,250
society of amnesia really we really

2145
01:33:30,379 --> 01:33:28,319
don't have you think about how

2146
01:33:31,819 --> 01:33:30,389
humans are supposed to be here and we

2147
01:33:34,849 --> 01:33:31,829
really don't know we don't really have a

2148
01:33:37,489 --> 01:33:34,859
much of a clue when you go back you're

2149
01:33:40,549 --> 01:33:37,499
absolutely right squire and Davis did

2150
01:33:43,639 --> 01:33:40,559
find a number of mounds with bodies in

2151
01:33:46,369 --> 01:33:43,649
them but usually the bodies were above

2152
01:33:48,679 --> 01:33:46,379
the layer of the mound

2153
01:33:50,449 --> 01:33:48,689
so like if it's a conical mound the

2154
01:33:52,459 --> 01:33:50,459
bodies were buried in they were like

2155
01:33:55,489 --> 01:33:52,469
literally dug holes and they were slid

2156
01:33:58,549 --> 01:33:55,499
in so it's not thought that many of the

2157
01:34:01,159 --> 01:33:58,559
mounds were built originally intended as

2158
01:34:04,819 --> 01:34:01,169
burial mounds and in fact if we want to

2159
01:34:06,559 --> 01:34:04,829
jump to slide 38 we can look at some of

2160
01:34:09,349 --> 01:34:06,569
the other things that squire and Davis

2161
01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:09,359
dug up sure and their books are readily

2162
01:34:13,399 --> 01:34:11,369
available from the Smithsonian you can

2163
01:34:16,219 --> 01:34:13,409
go and find them if anybody wants to

2164
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:16,229
google and research them they you know

2165
01:34:20,270 --> 01:34:18,449
worked for probably 10 years for the

2166
01:34:22,669 --> 01:34:20,280
Smithsonian and they really documented

2167
01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:22,679
their work they drew pictures and they

2168
01:34:27,409 --> 01:34:25,169
use early survey equipment to mark the

2169
01:34:28,849 --> 01:34:27,419
size and the shape of them and the

2170
01:34:33,770 --> 01:34:28,859
artifacts they found

2171
01:34:35,209 --> 01:34:33,780
so this slide 38 has bone artifacts okay

2172
01:34:37,369 --> 01:34:35,219
that were made probably by the

2173
01:34:40,219 --> 01:34:37,379
indigenous Indians and then buried

2174
01:34:42,829 --> 01:34:40,229
inside this particular mound middle

2175
01:34:45,889 --> 01:34:42,839
valley mound which is in Illinois so

2176
01:34:48,079 --> 01:34:45,899
just looking at those geometry looks

2177
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:48,089
like Pennsylvania duct symbolism doesn't

2178
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:51,449
it or you could say it looks like crop

2179
01:34:57,639 --> 01:34:54,719
circles right also looks like the

2180
01:35:01,039 --> 01:34:57,649
Pacific Northwest some of their designs

2181
01:35:03,829 --> 01:35:01,049
yes though indigenous cultures have an

2182
01:35:05,839 --> 01:35:03,839
understanding of geometry that meant

2183
01:35:08,119 --> 01:35:05,849
something to them almost like a

2184
01:35:11,989 --> 01:35:08,129
conscious symbol whether it was the

2185
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:11,999
holism of life or the balance of life or

2186
01:35:16,879 --> 01:35:14,489
the interaction of life or literally the

2187
01:35:19,909 --> 01:35:16,889
impact of charges coming together and

2188
01:35:22,579 --> 01:35:19,919
releasing what's very interesting

2189
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,589
Martin is when I was reading Anthony

2190
01:35:27,459 --> 01:35:24,719
peratt's book and I started to look at

2191
01:35:30,379 --> 01:35:27,469
how plasmas impact and the type of

2192
01:35:32,329 --> 01:35:30,389
shapes and forms they can make like on a

2193
01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:32,339
steel witness plate if you're using a

2194
01:35:38,899 --> 01:35:36,510
plasma gun in a lab Wow I started to see

2195
01:35:42,650 --> 01:35:38,909
crop circle formations all over the

2196
01:35:45,500 --> 01:35:42,660
place that's what was really interest

2197
01:35:48,290 --> 01:35:45,510
I also when I speak on crop circles I

2198
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:48,300
pull up a little video that I didn't

2199
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:49,800
make available to you because I wasn't

2200
01:35:55,940 --> 01:35:52,560
sure we had the ability to to share them

2201
01:35:57,820 --> 01:35:55,950
but wal thornhill who works for the

2202
01:36:00,260 --> 01:35:57,830
electric universe has demonstrated

2203
01:36:02,660 --> 01:36:00,270
something called Bennett z-pinch which

2204
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:02,670
is a plasma activity that happens it's

2205
01:36:08,630 --> 01:36:06,110
it's actually you can do it with just

2206
01:36:11,450 --> 01:36:08,640
electromagnetic charge as well but

2207
01:36:14,210 --> 01:36:11,460
magnetism can force things to collapse

2208
01:36:16,670 --> 01:36:14,220
and move very very quickly and he shows

2209
01:36:18,170 --> 01:36:16,680
a demonstration which looks like one of

2210
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:18,180
these slides where you have it's the

2211
01:36:25,550 --> 01:36:20,730
darkest one it's like a light circle on

2212
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:25,560
the outside and a dark pinching will set

2213
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:27,060
of wings that look like they're all

2214
01:36:31,940 --> 01:36:29,370
connected it's the second from the

2215
01:36:35,090 --> 01:36:31,950
bottom and it's on the left of those

2216
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:35,100
symbols we're looking at that our shell

2217
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,920
symbols done by traditional tribes so

2218
01:36:42,740 --> 01:36:40,080
wal thornhill can demonstrate that with

2219
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:42,750
a coke can and a magnetic field which

2220
01:36:47,330 --> 01:36:45,450
just absolutely blows me away it's

2221
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,340
fascinating so I think that there is

2222
01:36:52,630 --> 01:36:49,920
some overlap that we have yet to

2223
01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:52,640
understand electrically that's going on

2224
01:37:00,440 --> 01:36:56,910
and won't does to actually fight ok he's

2225
01:37:03,950 --> 01:37:00,450
a lovely man from believe Australia or

2226
01:37:05,780 --> 01:37:03,960
New Zealand I have a question that came

2227
01:37:07,850 --> 01:37:05,790
in by the way the lines are open if

2228
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:07,860
anyone wants to call that numbers up on

2229
01:37:12,650 --> 01:37:10,530
the screen I'll just give that number

2230
01:37:14,990 --> 01:37:12,660
out if someone's listening over at kgr a

2231
01:37:15,740 --> 01:37:15,000
radio I know it sat in the chat over

2232
01:37:19,610 --> 01:37:15,750
there as well

2233
01:37:22,210 --> 01:37:19,620
603 nine six seven 403 oh that phone

2234
01:37:26,210 --> 01:37:22,220
number is only live during the show

2235
01:37:28,460 --> 01:37:26,220
anyway the question in the chat room do

2236
01:37:31,490 --> 01:37:28,470
you know what happened to the guy who

2237
01:37:33,110 --> 01:37:31,500
thought a crop circle contained plans to

2238
01:37:37,190 --> 01:37:33,120
build a UFO did you ever hear anything

2239
01:37:39,710 --> 01:37:37,200
about that yeah this is that that was

2240
01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:39,720
from a question from Australia so on

2241
01:37:47,210 --> 01:37:43,620
that topic where are these crop circles

2242
01:37:49,550 --> 01:37:47,220
seen are they all over the world yes

2243
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:49,560
they're happening I think upwards of

2244
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,170
last last count I knew it was something

2245
01:37:56,220 --> 01:37:54,480
like 25 or 30 countries they've been

2246
01:37:57,899 --> 01:37:56,230
document

2247
01:38:00,600 --> 01:37:57,909
I know they're happening like in Italy

2248
01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:00,610
and in Belgium and in Israel and there's

2249
01:38:04,770 --> 01:38:02,590
some even in South America of course all

2250
01:38:09,060 --> 01:38:04,780
over the United States Canada England

2251
01:38:13,379 --> 01:38:09,070
France and Turkey there's been some

2252
01:38:15,509 --> 01:38:13,389
reported in Turkey Russia it's there

2253
01:38:18,799 --> 01:38:15,519
they're all there all over but there are

2254
01:38:21,239 --> 01:38:18,809
interestingly concentrations of

2255
01:38:23,759 --> 01:38:21,249
formations and where the formations

2256
01:38:26,009 --> 01:38:23,769
concentrate like we have a lot in Ohio

2257
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:26,019
it's the largest state that has them and

2258
01:38:30,660 --> 01:38:29,050
it's also the area with the largest one

2259
01:38:33,930 --> 01:38:30,670
of the states of the largest green sand

2260
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:33,940
or limestone aquifer deep deep deep

2261
01:38:37,979 --> 01:38:35,710
underneath the state and the same is

2262
01:38:39,689 --> 01:38:37,989
true in England England has I think one

2263
01:38:41,819 --> 01:38:39,699
of the largest green sand aquifers of

2264
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:41,829
Europe and it runs straight you know

2265
01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:43,210
from one end of the country to the other

2266
01:38:47,069 --> 01:38:45,460
but the area where it's the closest to

2267
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:47,079
the surface is right through the

2268
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:49,090
Wiltshire area so that's really

2269
01:38:54,540 --> 01:38:52,030
fascinating and I think if we looked at

2270
01:38:56,370 --> 01:38:54,550
where formations are happening in other

2271
01:38:58,379 --> 01:38:56,380
parts of the world and you studied the

2272
01:39:00,959 --> 01:38:58,389
geology of them you may find a similar

2273
01:39:03,810 --> 01:39:00,969
overlap I don't know I haven't looked

2274
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:03,820
specifically for all of them but I find

2275
01:39:09,149 --> 01:39:06,730
it again and again that's interesting

2276
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:09,159
yep I'm wondering if anyone is studying

2277
01:39:14,609 --> 01:39:11,199
like blt for instance if they're

2278
01:39:18,029 --> 01:39:14,619
studying you know the similarities

2279
01:39:21,149 --> 01:39:18,039
between you know surfaces and aquifers

2280
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:21,159
like you're saying and other things you

2281
01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:22,719
know through world wide

2282
01:39:30,779 --> 01:39:26,230
you know formations yeah I just like to

2283
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:30,789
put a hoot out to Nancy Talbot because

2284
01:39:35,930 --> 01:39:33,610
without the level of research that she

2285
01:39:38,759 --> 01:39:35,940
really dedicated herself to

2286
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:38,769
scientifically I don't think we would be

2287
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:41,590
certainly I wouldn't be at the level of

2288
01:39:45,419 --> 01:39:43,630
understanding that I have come to I mean

2289
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,429
I have a lot of respect for scientific

2290
01:39:50,489 --> 01:39:47,679
methodology because I think it brings

2291
01:39:53,239 --> 01:39:50,499
the more skeptical person like I was

2292
01:39:56,339 --> 01:39:53,249
talking about earlier into the fold

2293
01:39:58,259 --> 01:39:56,349
maybe to do greater research than those

2294
01:40:00,419 --> 01:39:58,269
that have come before and certainly I

2295
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:00,429
stand on Nancy's shoulders and and many

2296
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:03,070
others Jeff Wilson and of course Linda

2297
01:40:09,570 --> 01:40:06,130
Howe you know it's always stirring the

2298
01:40:12,250 --> 01:40:09,580
soup our pot for us with her sorry

2299
01:40:16,210 --> 01:40:12,260
abilities because he had a background in

2300
01:40:19,690 --> 01:40:16,220
science as well and journalism so these

2301
01:40:22,540 --> 01:40:19,700
pioneers have really paved the way and

2302
01:40:23,740 --> 01:40:22,550
for the next generation that that will

2303
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:23,750
come yeah

2304
01:40:31,810 --> 01:40:29,210
and so besides blt other other people

2305
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:31,820
that are actually taking this topic

2306
01:40:36,130 --> 01:40:33,770
seriously and investigating and yourself

2307
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:36,140
of course other other people I know you

2308
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:40,880
said Colin what's in in England

2309
01:40:46,210 --> 01:40:44,000
yeah people very I actually saw him did

2310
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:46,220
we see him and wasn't he in Phoenix this

2311
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:50,090
year nah I don't think he was this year

2312
01:40:54,610 --> 01:40:52,850
I never saw him there at one time I know

2313
01:40:57,100 --> 01:40:54,620
he got a Lifetime Achievement Award the

2314
01:40:59,320 --> 01:40:57,110
same year that I think Ron James and I

2315
01:41:03,970 --> 01:40:59,330
won for the disclosure dialogues I I

2316
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:03,980
want to say that was 2011 Oh 12 but I

2317
01:41:08,860 --> 01:41:06,320
have not seen Colin and I have to say I

2318
01:41:11,290 --> 01:41:08,870
don't know Colin personally very very

2319
01:41:14,590 --> 01:41:11,300
well I would like to we've emailed we've

2320
01:41:17,130 --> 01:41:14,600
talked we had dinner together but I

2321
01:41:19,420 --> 01:41:17,140
don't know that he's continuing to do

2322
01:41:21,130 --> 01:41:19,430
in-depth research and I don't know that

2323
01:41:22,930 --> 01:41:21,140
any real young scientists have come

2324
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:22,940
forward I do have a friend in New Jersey

2325
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:28,010
here who has offered to do some research

2326
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:30,050
but I have yet to follow up with him I

2327
01:41:33,490 --> 01:41:32,000
kind of have a lot on my plate with the

2328
01:41:35,470 --> 01:41:33,500
symposium and there's a lot of things

2329
01:41:37,900 --> 01:41:35,480
I'd like to be doing that there just

2330
01:41:40,450 --> 01:41:37,910
isn't time for and I may have to wait

2331
01:41:42,340 --> 01:41:40,460
till next year you know sure sure I

2332
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:42,350
would love to do a film about this and

2333
01:41:45,340 --> 01:41:43,610
really sit down

2334
01:41:47,410 --> 01:41:45,350
some of these plasma physicists and

2335
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:47,420
scientists and some geologists and start

2336
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:50,890
to unpack some of these topics that I've

2337
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:54,080
brought up with you tonight but you know

2338
01:41:58,210 --> 01:41:55,280
that's gonna have to be a little further

2339
01:41:59,530 --> 01:41:58,220
down the road yeah sure yeah but I think

2340
01:42:01,870 --> 01:41:59,540
it would be a very interesting film

2341
01:42:05,740 --> 01:42:01,880
actually I've encouraged you that would

2342
01:42:08,490 --> 01:42:05,750
be a something that I think should be

2343
01:42:10,900 --> 01:42:08,500
explored because you know I mean there's

2344
01:42:13,540 --> 01:42:10,910
okay there's the hoaxes I think that's

2345
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:13,550
where the the waters get really muddied

2346
01:42:19,180 --> 01:42:16,760
because I think so many people well if

2347
01:42:21,610 --> 01:42:19,190
one's hoax now I understand that

2348
01:42:22,419 --> 01:42:21,620
thinking if one's hoax then how can you

2349
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:22,429
trust a rather

2350
01:42:29,110 --> 01:42:27,440
you know yeah so but when you're

2351
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:29,120
actually talking about changes and

2352
01:42:33,370 --> 01:42:30,650
things like that it becomes a little

2353
01:42:35,709 --> 01:42:33,380
more mysterious and I think I actually

2354
01:42:38,350 --> 01:42:35,719
think we know very little about what's

2355
01:42:41,709 --> 01:42:38,360
actually going on around us you know in

2356
01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:41,719
general absolutely we know very very

2357
01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:44,030
little about the natural world around us

2358
01:42:52,180 --> 01:42:49,190
really very little and I think that the

2359
01:42:56,050 --> 01:42:52,190
next 20 years with what's going on with

2360
01:42:58,090 --> 01:42:56,060
space exploration we're going to you

2361
01:43:00,880 --> 01:42:58,100
know usually do the public is about 30

2362
01:43:03,689 --> 01:43:00,890
years behind or 40 or 50 years behind

2363
01:43:06,459 --> 01:43:03,699
sometimes what the military is doing and

2364
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:06,469
most sophisticated people now understand

2365
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:08,719
that the field of operations for

2366
01:43:15,550 --> 01:43:12,050
military is in space it's not on the

2367
01:43:17,950 --> 01:43:15,560
surface it's all you know satellites and

2368
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:17,960
imaging and looking what's going on so

2369
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:19,520
it's also understanding a new

2370
01:43:22,930 --> 01:43:20,480
environment

2371
01:43:24,580 --> 01:43:22,940
living in space and the electrical

2372
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:24,590
nature's of what's happening so I think

2373
01:43:32,590 --> 01:43:30,080
as we begin to make more things less

2374
01:43:34,689 --> 01:43:32,600
secret about what's actually going on up

2375
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:34,699
there in space we'll begin to understand

2376
01:43:39,220 --> 01:43:37,040
aspects of our physical reality around

2377
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:39,230
our earth like our magnetosphere we

2378
01:43:42,250 --> 01:43:40,850
really know very little about our minute

2379
01:43:45,790 --> 01:43:42,260
you know sphere you know very little

2380
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:45,800
about our Sun or our solar system so the

2381
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,360
magnetosphere they have to say is

2382
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:49,280
becoming weaker and that kind of scares

2383
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:52,610
me because you know it's so important to

2384
01:43:57,070 --> 01:43:56,000
have you know I mean that's supposedly

2385
01:43:59,620 --> 01:43:57,080
what happened to Mars

2386
01:44:01,870 --> 01:43:59,630
you know Mars had one last one in the

2387
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:01,880
atmosphere just kind of disappeared

2388
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:05,690
right what ripped it off right they

2389
01:44:10,030 --> 01:44:07,850
think it was literally ripped off well

2390
01:44:12,669 --> 01:44:10,040
when you start to study electrical

2391
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:12,679
current electrical charges and plasmas

2392
01:44:16,959 --> 01:44:14,690
and how things will attract and bind

2393
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:16,969
repel and attract each other yet you

2394
01:44:24,610 --> 01:44:21,170
begin to realize oh okay we live in a

2395
01:44:27,729 --> 01:44:24,620
very delicate balance in our in our

2396
01:44:31,540 --> 01:44:27,739
little you know Hemisphere in our solar

2397
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:31,550
system on the earth and there are a lot

2398
01:44:36,260 --> 01:44:33,770
of things that we are at risk at that we

2399
01:44:37,820 --> 01:44:36,270
may not really realize I

2400
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:37,830
I've been studying and traveling with

2401
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:40,920
Robert Schoch you've probably have heard

2402
01:44:46,940 --> 01:44:45,090
of Robert he's well-known for discussing

2403
01:44:50,540 --> 01:44:46,950
the ideas around the Sphinx probably

2404
01:44:53,330 --> 01:44:50,550
being much much over there yes so he's a

2405
01:44:55,580 --> 01:44:53,340
very well-known geologist and he has

2406
01:44:56,990 --> 01:44:55,590
been studying gobekli tepe I went to

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01:44:59,840 --> 01:44:57,000
Turkey with him and a number of other

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01:45:03,020 --> 01:44:59,850
people and he suspects that earlier

2409
01:45:06,050 --> 01:45:03,030
civilizations might have had access to

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01:45:07,940 --> 01:45:06,060
knowledge or suspected something was

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01:45:10,370 --> 01:45:07,950
going to happen and that's maybe why

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01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:10,380
they buried parts of Gobekli Tepe to

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01:45:12,620 --> 01:45:11,130
preserve it

2414
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:12,630
because they were aware of the

2415
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:17,130
instabilities of the Sun and you know I

2416
01:45:23,020 --> 01:45:19,770
I just went to Malta with him back in

2417
01:45:26,210 --> 01:45:23,030
March a year ago and I had some profound

2418
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:26,220
discoveries there looking at some of the

2419
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:28,650
very very ancient sites that literally

2420
01:45:34,430 --> 01:45:31,350
look like they're vitrified or the stone

2421
01:45:36,650 --> 01:45:34,440
is melted in some of these ancient stone

2422
01:45:39,380 --> 01:45:36,660
structures there so where the structures

2423
01:45:42,170 --> 01:45:39,390
built as protective environments because

2424
01:45:46,060 --> 01:45:42,180
there was instability in the Sun it's

2425
01:45:48,740 --> 01:45:46,070
hard to know and it's quite fascinating

2426
01:45:51,890 --> 01:45:48,750
someone has a question they just wanted

2427
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:51,900
to know this is absolutely going in a

2428
01:45:58,430 --> 01:45:54,960
total different direction and back to

2429
01:46:01,820 --> 01:45:58,440
the symposium that someone wanted to ask

2430
01:46:04,340 --> 01:46:01,830
you do you know you said that Lewis

2431
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:04,350
Elizondo he's gonna there's going to be

2432
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:06,810
about a hundred people allowed in and

2433
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:09,300
there's going to be like questions is

2434
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:11,250
there any other time that he's going to

2435
01:46:18,050 --> 01:46:14,070
be like sitting on a panel and open to

2436
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,060
it okay yes he will be presenting on

2437
01:46:24,860 --> 01:46:20,880
Friday night at our keynote banquet and

2438
01:46:26,450 --> 01:46:24,870
then Saturday night we may open it to

2439
01:46:28,250 --> 01:46:26,460
more than a hundred people I'm not quite

2440
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:28,260
sure I'll leave that up to Jan horizon--

2441
01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:31,410
but we have a meet-and-greet and Q&A in

2442
01:46:37,340 --> 01:46:34,950
a more intimate way with him and we're

2443
01:46:38,930 --> 01:46:37,350
selling that for $50 because some people

2444
01:46:40,430 --> 01:46:38,940
can't attend the whole conference but

2445
01:46:42,620 --> 01:46:40,440
they're really curious to meet Louis

2446
01:46:46,340 --> 01:46:42,630
Elizondo and ask him some questions and

2447
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:46,350
I do believe that he is also on one or

2448
01:46:50,210 --> 01:46:47,730
he's going to jump in we're doing two

2449
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:50,220
lunch panels during the day on

2450
01:46:55,460 --> 01:46:53,370
and Sunday so if you want to not take

2451
01:46:58,160 --> 01:46:55,470
time to go have lunch but actually get a

2452
01:47:01,160 --> 01:46:58,170
box lunch a sandwich and go in and hear

2453
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:01,170
a panel of experts speak I think he's

2454
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:03,890
going to be on one of our panels but I

2455
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:06,930
don't think I've been told which day yet

2456
01:47:11,540 --> 01:47:09,690
no but I would say for anyone listening

2457
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:11,550
check the website regularly and see

2458
01:47:16,340 --> 01:47:14,250
who's on those panels for lunch because

2459
01:47:18,980 --> 01:47:16,350
that's another opportunity to meet him

2460
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:18,990
okay all right thanks so much for taking

2461
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:22,530
that Jagr going back one last question

2462
01:47:25,970 --> 01:47:24,330
because we got about I think we got

2463
01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:25,980
about four or four and a half five

2464
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:28,710
minutes and I don't even know if you

2465
01:47:31,850 --> 01:47:30,030
have a visual of this but what do you

2466
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:31,860
think is like the most interesting crop

2467
01:47:40,670 --> 01:47:36,510
circle oh gosh well you know whenever I

2468
01:47:44,990 --> 01:47:40,680
speak on crop circles I'm always asked

2469
01:47:48,740 --> 01:47:45,000
to talk about you know what's known as

2470
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:48,750
the grid and I do have some pictures of

2471
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:50,730
it I can bring up and I'm trying to

2472
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,650
decide which one is the best one I'll

2473
01:47:57,170 --> 01:47:54,480
jump to this one first

2474
01:48:01,060 --> 01:47:57,180
it's pull up the slide in a minute as

2475
01:48:04,460 --> 01:48:01,070
soon as it opens for me slide 83 okay

2476
01:48:05,690 --> 01:48:04,470
the grid I think I know what yeah I knew

2477
01:48:08,900 --> 01:48:05,700
that's the one you were going to be

2478
01:48:11,060 --> 01:48:08,910
talking about yeah no that's not the one

2479
01:48:12,830 --> 01:48:11,070
that was near Stonehenge though that's a

2480
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:12,840
different one right correct

2481
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:14,970
correct it's not one of the Julia set

2482
01:48:21,020 --> 01:48:17,730
spirals this when this first came down

2483
01:48:23,210 --> 01:48:21,030
this was a big puzzle and nobody knew

2484
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:23,220
what it went at looking at that slide

2485
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:25,170
you can see people walking around in the

2486
01:48:29,300 --> 01:48:27,690
field on the bottom right picture it's

2487
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:29,310
literally a picture taken from the

2488
01:48:33,410 --> 01:48:31,920
ground looking at the formation nobody

2489
01:48:36,490 --> 01:48:33,420
understood what it was and it wasn't

2490
01:48:39,770 --> 01:48:36,500
until they got an aerial photograph that

2491
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:39,780
Paul vyg a actually a British crop

2492
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:41,970
circle researcher looked at it and said

2493
01:48:48,530 --> 01:48:46,050
hey that looks very similar to a digital

2494
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:48,540
code that Carl Sagan invented and they

2495
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:52,290
sent out from Arecibo so in fact we can

2496
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:56,250
jump to another slide which is 84 so

2497
01:48:59,660 --> 01:48:57,900
this is almost almost like a Braille

2498
01:49:02,090 --> 01:48:59,670
type thing for the person that's

2499
01:49:03,710 --> 01:49:02,100
listening it almost feels like something

2500
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:03,720
that would be Braille

2501
01:49:10,730 --> 01:49:07,440
and so in the early 70s when we were

2502
01:49:13,220 --> 01:49:10,740
just coming on board with real computer

2503
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:13,230
language we were we had binary simple

2504
01:49:20,060 --> 01:49:17,250
ASCII binary code and Carl Sagan decided

2505
01:49:22,940 --> 01:49:20,070
he wanted to send a message out into

2506
01:49:25,460 --> 01:49:22,950
space this was actually a publicity

2507
01:49:26,990 --> 01:49:25,470
stunt to raise money for Arecibo because

2508
01:49:28,430 --> 01:49:27,000
so much money had gone into it and

2509
01:49:31,070 --> 01:49:28,440
everybody thought it was a waste of

2510
01:49:33,620 --> 01:49:31,080
government funds but in Puerto Rico we

2511
01:49:36,290 --> 01:49:33,630
created this huge dish in the ground and

2512
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:36,300
then we sent a little with there was a

2513
01:49:42,110 --> 01:49:39,450
sending device hung above it which you

2514
01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:42,120
can see in slide 84 on the bottom right

2515
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:44,760
and that sent signals down to the ground

2516
01:49:50,630 --> 01:49:47,010
that then bounced back up into outer

2517
01:49:52,820 --> 01:49:50,640
space and for a I don't know how long it

2518
01:49:56,510 --> 01:49:52,830
took maybe 20 minutes or something we

2519
01:49:59,900 --> 01:49:56,520
sent this code back in 1974 and the code

2520
01:50:03,200 --> 01:49:59,910
is divided into a series of segments

2521
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:03,210
that gave information about Arecibo

2522
01:50:09,710 --> 01:50:06,960
itself which is on the bottom it's in

2523
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:09,720
the picture of 84 on the left you can

2524
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:11,760
see the binary code and how it was

2525
01:50:16,970 --> 01:50:14,130
broken up so the bottom is literally a

2526
01:50:19,220 --> 01:50:16,980
digital graphic representation in binary

2527
01:50:21,950 --> 01:50:19,230
code of what Arecibo looks like it's

2528
01:50:24,530 --> 01:50:21,960
size its shape then the next line above

2529
01:50:27,370 --> 01:50:24,540
that was our solar system it had our Sun

2530
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:27,380
which is a big series of like maybe a

2531
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:31,170
six blocks covered and then all the

2532
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:32,850
planets in our solar system with one

2533
01:50:38,510 --> 01:50:36,570
rays denoting where we live and then

2534
01:50:41,690 --> 01:50:38,520
there was a picture the next section of

2535
01:50:44,420 --> 01:50:41,700
code denotes a human body and our DNA

2536
01:50:46,700 --> 01:50:44,430
code then above that is a section of

2537
01:50:49,190 --> 01:50:46,710
material that denotes our genetic

2538
01:50:51,530 --> 01:50:49,200
material it's often referred to as punch

2539
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:51,540
which stands for like potassium oxygen

2540
01:50:55,850 --> 01:50:53,610
nitrogen carbon and hydrogen so what

2541
01:50:57,800 --> 01:50:55,860
makes up the physical body and then the

2542
01:51:01,100 --> 01:50:57,810
very top series of numbers was our

2543
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,110
number system oh and I missed one it's

2544
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:03,360
our atomic number what all the number

2545
01:51:07,820 --> 01:51:05,040
systems are based on so that you can

2546
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:07,830
understand our numbering system with the

2547
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,050
atomic number so this is something like

2548
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:12,960
I said Carl Sagan invented now what's

2549
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:17,040
very interesting if we want to jump

2550
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:18,930
back we can either go back to the slide

2551
01:51:26,300 --> 01:51:22,890
we had which was 83 this thing comes

2552
01:51:29,150 --> 01:51:26,310
down in the field right outside of an

2553
01:51:31,820 --> 01:51:29,160
area called cheer Bolton you can see in

2554
01:51:33,620 --> 01:51:31,830
the upper picture above the crop circle

2555
01:51:35,540 --> 01:51:33,630
picture there's a picture of a big

2556
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:35,550
satellite it's kind of tipped all the

2557
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:37,050
way down on its side and you see a

2558
01:51:40,220 --> 01:51:38,070
parking lot

2559
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:40,230
sure Bolton is an area in England where

2560
01:51:44,900 --> 01:51:42,450
they listen for radio signals so if

2561
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:44,910
there was some intelligent life trying

2562
01:51:49,220 --> 01:51:46,890
to communicate with us and they were

2563
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:49,230
communicating with radio signals we

2564
01:51:52,370 --> 01:51:51,090
would hear them but of course maybe

2565
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,380
they're not maybe they were using

2566
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:54,960
microwaves or plasmas or something else

2567
01:52:00,590 --> 01:51:57,360
but we're listening we're listening for

2568
01:52:02,090 --> 01:52:00,600
radio signals right well I hate to say

2569
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:02,100
this but we're actually at the edge of

2570
01:52:08,060 --> 01:52:05,250
it we got at the end of the show yeah

2571
01:52:09,470 --> 01:52:08,070
yeah it's been it's been I can't I can't

2572
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:09,480
remember a show that went by this fast

2573
01:52:14,660 --> 01:52:12,960
Jennifer I'll come back on and we can

2574
01:52:16,670 --> 01:52:14,670
talk more about this and other

2575
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:16,680
phenomenon all right excellent

2576
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,170
okay so thanks so much it was a it was a

2577
01:52:22,430 --> 01:52:21,840
real pleasure thank you Martin for

2578
01:52:26,210 --> 01:52:22,440
having me on

2579
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:26,220
all right great all right so everyone we

2580
01:52:37,130 --> 01:52:34,410
are hang on just a second we are back

2581
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:37,140
next week and we're going to be back

2582
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:42,030
with Nomar Slovak he was on once before

2583
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:46,320
and he as he's got a new book coming out

2584
01:52:50,690 --> 01:52:48,030
yeah I actually wrote the foreword to it

2585
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:50,700
and it's UFOs over me and he's a fun

2586
01:52:54,500 --> 01:52:53,370
guest and be great to have him back so I

2587
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:54,510
want to thank the people to help the

2588
01:52:59,780 --> 01:52:56,730
show Evan of course I want to thank race

2589
01:53:01,630 --> 01:52:59,790
over kgr a radio I want to thank our

2590
01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:01,640
guests of course Jennifer Stine and

2591
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:03,960
Peggy for the Facebook page and

2592
01:53:07,850 --> 01:53:06,090
Alejandro Rojas for the news that's it